Pac & Catchweight and a comparison of Floyd

good post,without taking anything away from pac, people are forgetting that pacman was coming into fights on fight night as a welterweight anyway so against oscar he was in effect the bigger man. and he didnt really move up in weight. he just let the hydration period last one day less.

itis also safer for a fighter to come in a few pounds heavier then normal then a fighter lose ten pounds in weight in which he hasnt fought in ten year and then not hydrate at all.

oscar was 145 not 147 on fight night

bad move

 

To be honest...although I think Pacquiao has been more impressive moving up, especially in the short amount of time he has done it in. I think the single most impressive win out of the two boxers was Mayweather's win over Oscar. Certainly not a prime Oscar, but a competitive Oscar. Mayweather didn't look like he belonged at 147lbs at that point...yet moved up to 154lbs and pulled off the victory.

Pacquiao's win over Cotto was a close second.

 

Yes, you are right, it wasn't at a "catchweight,"....just Cotto.

And yes, that was Oscar's fault. However, the reason Roach took that fight was because he knew the odds of Oscar being healthy at that weight and knew where Oscar was at in his career...especially after his last performance. I'm not saying don't take the fight, because they should have; but the hype surrounding it was way over-blown simply because it had Oscar's name attached to it.
But what remains is, you beat Oscar's corpse, not the Golden Boy.

Roach just proved to be the smarter better than the rest because he weighed the odds based on historical facts that supported his bet. Most people, which is why I don't follow most people, just look at Oscar's name and what he has done, but don't look at what Oscar was at that point. Or know what Oscar is planning, doing, and looking in camp. One thing we did hear was that he was getting his ass beat-up in sparring. But if you don't exactly see it, although there was the black-eye but that isn't out of the realm of possibilities when you are a fighter...but the point is, if you don't see him getting his ass kicked personally, it's harder to know where he is at.

People rely on the past to much. They rely on what the fighter used to be rather than what he is. They did a lot of that with Tyson.

Let's put it this way: Had that been a prime Oscar, the one that fast Tito and Mosley, NO WAY does Roach allow Pac to fight him.

 

Yeah I agree, that win is credited a lot more than it deserves. You can argue Pacquiao was still 135lbs whilst moving up two divisions...but a lot of World class boxers moving up in weight would have beaten Oscar that night. He had nothing, and he was stupid in agreeing the fight...he got a lot of money because of the hype, but he will also be remembered by people (especially the younger viewers who never saw him in his prime) being made to look amateurish by a smaller boxer.

But Pacquiao beat the guy who turned up and thats all he could have done. Pacquiao was still taking a risk moving up to Welter at that point, because what if Oscar made the weight and hydrated upto a point he felt he could go 12 rounds?

 

Absolutely.....however the odds still weren't in his favor. Even if he didn't make the mistake of trying to be smaller, and did the normal routine of walking around at about 154+ for training, then pissing out the water weight the day of the fight, dropping him to 147, then rehydrating back up...he was still going to be a version of Oscar that had to make weight at 147.

I still think the dieting down to 147 for the scales would always have an affect. This was never going to be the Prime/WW version of Oscar where he could make the weight for the scales then rehydrate with more ease. That was an Oscar who was fine with making weight opposed to this version that was in his mid-30's and far removed from that division. Moving down is not usually recommended, especially at that age and that far removed. Each pound is a long battle to fight.
Plus, his last performance wasn't so hot.

You can't blame Pac for taking it. He was right to take it. Oscar is the golden ticket to Fame and Money.

 

Like you said, thats why Roach took the bout. :good

 

Well said. :thumbsup

 

Oscar took the fight because he thought he was going in there to beat the crap out of a shrimp. Hindsight is 20/20 and now obviously Oscar played the game badly and screwed himself. And in reality, the odds were not in Pac's favor because Oscar had the height, weight, experience, and reach advantages.

You don't sound like any wise boxing sage, just someone who conveniently forgot the landslide of critical opinion in favor of Oscar that was all the rage during the time of the actual fight.

 

Oscar's went cherry picking without realizing he was also a cherry. Thank you Oscar for bringing out that monster.

 

forget catch weights,weve got to fight the guy at his weight if we want his title belt.comprimise yes,but no belt on the line.if u want 147 thats the limit and so on