Manny Pacquiao should not be aloud to fight for a 154 title..........

Why should a fighter have to fight for a title in his opponents hometown?

Why should they have to fight in a ring size that suits their opponent more than them?

Because those are the terms that they chose to accept...

 

Ward refused to fight in the tournament unless he got "all" his fights in his home town with his own personal referee.

I wish Pac would go ahead and fight Cotto for the 154 lb. title and add to his string of titles. Void would get so jealous, he already is, but Void would cry!

 

Margarito has fought most of his career at WW, hasn't he?

I think with training the way he has and the way he has to add weight, the most Manny CAN weigh is 150. If Margarito fights between welter and Jr MW, then at least this won't be truly draining on him.

So. Positives aside.
**** the WBC for sanctioning this fight for a vacant title that has perfectly good contenders in line for it. Angulo and Margarito were already ranked near the top but they're letting Manny step in because he's Manny and Sulaiman LOVES having Manny wear their belts, even if it's only for the victory photos.

**** Bob Arum for trying to cash out as much as he can by only letting Manny fight in house fighters.

And **** Michael Koncz, who pissed off everyone when he announced it'll probably be a 150 catchweight. As Manny's advisor, I'm sure he's the one who's filled Manny's head with all the worst moves he's made as of late. He's a blood sucking leech and looks like a child molestor.

C'Mon, Manny. Really? atsch:

 

pac is never at an advantage even at 150.

catchweight diminishes credit about 8th world title. but it solidify his 7th world title.

 

No-one's broken the news to Farmy that Dirrell v Ward is heading to Detroit?

 

Just go on give him the ****ing Heavyweight Title already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't think anybody here is saying that they *can't* fight at 150, and nobody is saying that they *shouldn't* fight at 150. Nobody is even saying that there's a rule against fighting for a Jr. Middleweight title at a catchweight. What they're saying is that there *should* be a rule against fighting for a title at a catchweight where the rule states that the boxing organization will withhold sanctioning for the title or improved ranking towards title consideration if the fighters fight at a contracted catchweight that artificially places a limit below that established by the boxing organization being petitioned for sanctioning.

What we're saying is that boxing organizations should strengthen their rules to exercise more control over what can and cannot be made into a stipulation in a private contract for a sanctioned title. There are some things that can't be added to a contract. You can't allow kicks, you can't allow bare knuckles, you can't add your own three knockdown rule, etc. Artificial weight limits *should* be another item banned from private contracts that want sanctioning by a boxing organization.

 

Geographical location plays a far greater role in the outcome of far more title fights than a few pounds of weight does. Should that be regulated too?

 

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1. Right, but next time you get a chance look up the dictionary definition of Middleweight, Welterweight or Heavyweight

all three divisions are defined by their maximum weight limit.

so can people quit with this "155-160" = Middleweight BS. Divisions are defined by the max weight allowed in that respective division.

Sugar Ray Robinson weighted 160 when he fought for the Light HW title

and Henry Armstrong was well under 140 when he fought and won the WW title. Disproving that "141-147 is Welterweight" since Armstrong wasn't in the quoted weight range to fight for the Light Heavyweight Belt

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is where I have my issue yes anything above 147 and below 155 = Super Welter, as it is above 147 and not Welterweight but cutting off the max at lets say 152 .. or in the case if Margarito vs Pacquiao 150 goes against the original Junior Middleweight definition of "a weight class where fighters are allowed to weigh up to 154 pounds"

yes 152 and 153 are valid Junior Middle weights, but the maximum for that weight class is 154

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regarding both men agreeing to it, this was already said but Margarito doesn't even have a license to box in the United States. He has no leverage what so ever, he's only taking this fight for the pay day and would probably agree to just about any stipulation

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nobody is saying you "have to fight" at the Max weight

but their is a big difference between someone weighing 145 by choice, oppose to being forced to, with a contract that says "both fighters must weigh in at (insert weight here)"

especially considering how for Pac-Cotto Roach was overly vocal about how the catchweight would drain Cotto

I don't see your issue with it

according to Roach, the catchweight was used so fight night Pacquiao would be up against a weaker opponent

how can that be respected?

 

manny can weigh what he likes as long as the champ's weight is within the limit

 

There isn't a champ....

 

No it doesn't.

A weight-drained person does not perform well, and an overweight person is grounds for fight cancellation because of the level of advantage it gives.

 

How about you name some catchweight title fights that you believe were affected by the weight restriction and then I'll name some that I believe were affected by the location and we'll see who finds it easier...

 

It's a silly question. There are very few catchweight title fights, thankfully. There are, however, a lot of fights where the fighter has come in overweight, or weight-drained, and it had a dramatic impact on the outcome (or led to a cancellation outright).

My point is that there should be a rule preventing contracts from overriding the weight parameters established by the boxing commissions. There's never been solid evidence that location has affected the outcome, just speculation. There's evidence that hometown judges and refs have affected the outcome, and I DO think that should be a banned practice.

 

I'm pretty sure that the fact that there are few catchweight title fights was part of my argument.

Fighters being weight drained or overweight is nothing to do with what you're advocating though and I'm slightly confused as to why you're now talking about.

Fighters can be overweight or weight drained at any given weight, whether that weight happens to be the limit of a recognised weight division or not.

Your idea would prevent Pacquiao and Margarito agreeing to a title fight at 150lbs, but be perfectly ok with them agreeing a title fight at 147lbs. How is that discouraging weight draining?

Give us some examples of fights that have been affected by hometown refs and judges...