Ali fraud...

Saying that Ali dominated the 70's is incorrect. But he did prove himself as the best of a not only very good, but also very diverse group of fighters. This after a 3.5 year lay-off. This may just be unprecedented in boxing history.

Add to this that there are good reason to claim he dominated the 60's, and you have a hell of a record.

 

He did beat everyone he faced in the 70s, maybe not always emphatically

 

You are literally too ****in stupid to insult.

 

another floyd fan

 

While Ali didn't clean out the 70s, he did what no boxer had ever done with any success: comeback while past prime and win back the title. Joe Louis failed Charles, Floyd Patterson failed on several occasions, Jack Dempsey failed against Tunney, Marciano didn't even try, etc.

Stoppages over brutal competition in Liston, Frazier, Bonavena, Quarry, Foreman.

As for Ali-Norton III, everyone concedes that the fight was close, but it was hardly a robbery, as past polls and threads on the subject have showed. Most even had Ali winning the fight by a round, if I recall. I'd also add that this was a very past prime Ali, there for the taking, as Spinks later proved, and Norton, despite supposedly having Ali's number, couldn't capitalize and win in a convincing manner.

Thrilla in Manila has been argued to death, but the fact remains that Ali came back in the championship rounds to pound the tar out of Frazier. It's a testament to Frazier's heart and his anger/resentment of Ali that he didn't go down. Also, Padilla didn't let Ali hold Frazier behind the head, and yet Ali still was ahead on an unbiased scorecard at the end of round 14. Sort of throws that theory out the window. Frazier also ranks as easily one of the top fighters Ali faced. He lost, came back, and still one the series 2-1. He never stopped being the older man in their bouts.

Anyone knowledgeable fan has done the research to discover that young Clay only received at most a 6 second benefit from the torn glove.

 

Joe Louis didnt beat near the quality of opponents that Ali did.

Muhammad Ali beat THREE top 10 heavies.. Joe Louis? He didnt beat one.. and Holyfield has a great resume but he was also erratic in his performances.

 

Ali's resume and achievements speak for themselves,I feel. Most fighters lose during their career,and have close calls and lucky breaks. Until he got really passed it,Ali only actually lost twice. Once to Joe Frazier,who was arguably a great fighter himself,and to Ken Norton who was certainly very good. As a matter of interest,who do you rate above Ali in your all time list ?

 

That comparisson tickled me,too.

 

:good:good

 

Muhammad Ali's best wins

Archie Moore TKO 4 HOF

Sonny Liston RTD 7 & KO 1 (top ten heavyweight) HOF

Floyd Patterson TKO 12 & 7 (domination of a game former champion who was 30 first time around. HOF

Wins over top ten contenders Cooper, Williams and Terrell

Jerry Quarry TKO 3 & TKO 7

Oscar Bonavena TKO 15 (after returning from a long layoff knock out an extremely tough fighter.)

JOE FRAZIER - Two wins over a top ten heavyweight and stylistic nightmare HOF

GEORGE FOREMAN - KO win over undefeated champion. Who came back to win title in his forties. HOF

Ken Norton - Two wins over a bad style match up when past his prime, a man who would have won a title in any other era.

Plus further wins over George Chuvalo, Jimmy Ellis, EARNIE SHAVERS when well past prime, Ron Lyle and Bob Foster... Frankly I think there is a case for making him the greatest heavyweight of all time based on his post exile achievements!

 

You could just as easily say replace Buster Douglas in 1990 with a prime Muhammad Ali,and Tyson would n't have known where on the planet he was !

 

A faded Page and Tillis.

 

Listen its okay, I think the OP is guilty of doing what I tend to do some times. When I don't like there "out of ring" conduct I try to take away from their "in ring" conduct. I despise Mayweather out side of the ring, that is why I want him to lose so bad. But they guy is good, same with Ali, when I see videos of him saying **** and calling Jose Frazier a gorilla it annoys me and I think he is a dipstick. But, its all part of the hype, making you dislike him, guarantees you'll watch. But, in the ring, Ali was a God amongst mortals, :happy outside of the ring I think he was an ignorant racist *****.

 

Leon Spinks challenged an undisputed heavyweight champion 14 years after that titlist first dethroned Sonny Liston. Even with the best three years of his boxing life taken away, Ali managed a total of 19 successful title defenses, working at a pace which put most other heavyweight champions to shame. He was 34 years old (and older than Louis was for Walcott II) when he defended it four times in 1976.

Yes, he was a dirty, cheating *****, who tried to come back against Holmes by using Thyrolar as a PED without telling anybody, and paid for it. But if cheating alone was sufficient to do what he did, then Filthy Fritzie Zivic maybe ought to have retired 231-0. (Hell, he probably should have worn the WW title belt to the grave.)

Obscene punishment and punching power were not not enough to stop him. Nat Fleischer conceded that he was the fastest heavyweight of all time. He produced two fifteenth round stoppages, would have done so again in Manila if not for Eddie Futch, and nearly generated yet another against Shavers in late 1977. (And if it wasn't for Angelo Dundee and Ali's deceptive abuse of Thyrolar, Holmes might not have stopped Ali either.)

Hand and foot speed, durability, mental toughness and endurance. It wasn't all smoke and mirrors.

 

That sums it up Bokaj !