Who was faster? Ali or Tyson

Young Ali was faster than Tyson. Post-exile Ali slowed down a bit. Chuvalo fought both versions, and he said the difference was considerable.

 

you smoke too much

 

This. he became considerably more flatfooted, just goes to show what inactivity does to a fighter.

at tards claiming ali was slapping. you dont tko the fighters ali did without hitting them hard.

 

I am a Tyson fan but you discrediting Ali is a joke. Ali would have mopped the floor with Tyson. Just like all the top level heavies did that he fought.

 

I would have to agree with Tyson.

it is a pretty hard one though. Tyson was an animal anyway and in his prime was a plush fighter, could say the same for Ali. but this time my vote is with Tyson

 

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FFW to 1:23... That is the quickest right hand I have ever seen a HW throw.

Though Ali was a true Heavyweight and Roy wasn't, Roy was clearly the fastest man in a HW fight ever in my opinion.

 

I remember when he became the only man to ever stop Foreman and Bonavena with a really hard, fast slap to each.

 

Ali, Tyson, Patterson, Louis, have all thrown faster punches than that version of Roy imo. You could also make a good argument for Tunney, Charles, Joe Walcott as well.

if you were talking about prime roy at a lower class, sure, but there are HW's with faster hands than Jones Jr.

:deal

this man knows his stuff, people.

 

LOL that is just sick. I like the left he threw while winding up the right after that.

 

I have to disagree. No way in my opinion. Roy Jones is honestly in the running P4P fastest fighter ever, and he carried most of that speed to Heavyweight, but was mostly throwing one shot at a time so it didn't look as fast as the insane flurries from his early years., but the speed was still there.

 

:good

 

Tyson also threw lots of looping shots and loaded up with his punches to KO guys which is arguably harder to do for speed.
I'm not sure he added a straight punch, except for the Jab which was incredibly fast and hard, but as far as a right-cross for example...he didn't add that until Ruddock I, and specifically used it more for Ruddock II...with the help of Richie Giachetti getting him to use it. To me, a right-cross can be thrown faster than a looping hook as far back as Tyson cocked it.
If you are going to throw for more speed, you use a shorter distance. Joe Louis was an example of this. Sacrificed some power for speed to throw in combinations. All he needed was for you to be stunned then he would take you out. When he cocked back that arm though, OMG, that was power.

I don't think we should forget how fast

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Tyson' speed, especially in combos

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6 punch combo

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Hitting the Heavy-bag
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As far as Ali, at his fastest, he was incredibly fast....

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yeah, people forget how fast louis and patterson were. louis's short punches were blindingly fast, especially his left hook and right hand. patterson's leaping left hook, the one he ko'd johansson with, is tyson level fast. Tyson HIMSELF says Floyd has the best handspeed of any HW.

 

Well if you're not a fan you're not all that informed in terms of fighters power.

I would certainly argue that Foreman hit much harder than Tyson, Lewis probably had more power as well, as did Shavers.

Tyson put together combinations perhaps better than both, but pure one punch power, both of these guys have more.

In terms of hand speed, it depends on the type of punches being thrown. Tyson was probably slightly faster at throwing combinations, but Ali's jab was certainly faster, and if footwork counts in terms of defining who's faster, than Ali wins hands down.

The main thing to consider is that Ali had a much better career than Tyson and Tyson had more power, so what did Ali have that made him so great? Grit, speed, and ring smarts. If they ever fought in their primes I think Ali's foot speed would be the key because Tyson couldn't just stand in front of him and load up with his combinations.

There's a lot of very fast boxers that have come along. I have an old fight of Dempsey and he hit a guy so fast I had to use slow motion rewind it repeatly to see it.

Sort of like Ali's famous anchor punch against Liston. It was thrown so fast most never said it even on reply when they knew it was coming.

 

I picked Tyson, good post.