'Pretty Boy' FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. vs. MANNY 'Pacman' PACQUAIO @ 144

pit · Jul 22, 2009

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Ok, fair enough. You got me. You showed me up. You owned me in that subject. Good on you. Im not one to shy away or make excuses for my mistakes. My bad. It was my fault. So now you named 3 fights in which it showcased Mayweathers aggressiveness. I even helped you in that regard by adding the Gatti fight into your list. So basically we have 4 fights in the higher weights in which Floyd showed his pressure skills. Cool. But you think you actually disproved my argument entirely just because of the Judah fight? No I dont think so.

Floyd has a total of 8 fights in the higher weights(140 and 147). Of the 8 fights he had, he only showed his aggressiveness in 4. Thats 50%. Compared to his LW and SFW days, that is a significant decrease in his punch activity and aggressiveness. Which is what I was saying in my last post: Floyds workrate has decreased significantly in these higher weights. To add to this, 2 of those 4 fights were against slick boxers/counter-punchers(Judah and Corley), these are people who do not come forward much. So with Floyds superior skills he didnt have trouble pressuring those guys. Basically we only have Gatti and Mitchell who are aggressive fighters like Pac which Floyd was aggressive against. Only those 2 fights.

Now, the thing is these 4 fights happened early his 140/147 career. In his last 3 fights, he DID NOT show the aggressiveness he did in the 4 fights above. And thats my gripe in this. 2 of this last 3 fights, he was up against fighters who had MAJOR issues in their defenses(Hatton and Baldomir). Fighters who were MUCH easier to hit than Judah, Corley, and Mitchell. But instead of being aggressive with Hatton and Baldomir and bully them just like he did with Judah, Corley, Mitchell and Gatti, he instead opted to fight off the backfoot with those 2(along with Oscar). What does this tells me? It tells me that current Floyd is content with just waiting on his opponent to make their mistakes, and when they make that mistake only then would he start throwing punches.

To prevent you from missing my point. My whole point is this, current Floyd lacks the necessary firepower to really beat Pac. You said Floyd is not an aggressive fighter/pressure fighter. EXACTLY thats my point and that why Pac can win this. I truly believe that to beat Pac you need counter-punching skills AND activity. Counter-punching and defense is not enough, especially that reflex-type of defense that Floyd is using. That kind defense can be beaten by great speed. And Pac has great speed.

Now. You proved me wrong in the first 2 videos above. This last video... not so much. You showed me 2 rounds of Hatton-Mayweather. For what? To show me that Mayweather threw more than 2 punches ONCE in the 8th round and ONCE when he was finishing Hatton in the 10th? That's hardly evidence. What about the rest of the fight?

You've put up videos of the Judah fight to prove me wrong about that fight. Now I'd like you to do the same to this fight and give me many instances where Mayweather was landing more than 2 punches at a time on Hatton. Don't worry I'll wait.

Because I'ma tell you right now, this time I won't be wrong. 90% of the time in that fight, Mayweather only threw 2 punches at most at a time... against a very open Hatton. I think either Merchant or Steward noted it as well.

I know what your saying bruh, I know that Mayweather has great defense and he has good offense. I never said he was one dimensional. I never even said he has to start pressuring all the time(read my post again). He's a very special fighter. This fight will be HELL for Pac regardless of what anyone of us think. Floyd is THAT good. I just think he lacks the necessary offense for me to confidently say that he beats Pac. IMO. Just because he's balanced doesn't mean he's suddenly the be all-end all of boxing.
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wrong again, floyd showed aggression against Henry Bruseles , Gatti , Mitchell, and Zab. Against fighters like Ricky and Hoya he mixed his attracts, against fighter that physically bigger then himself he has less aggressive. Southpaws it seems he prefers to fight in close, which is why he will not beat Williams in my opinion .

Silver · Jul 22, 2009

pit said: ↑

wrong again, floyd showed aggression against Henry Bruseles , Gatti , Mitchell, and Zab. Against fighters like Ricky and Hoya he mixed his attracts, against fighter that physically bigger then himself he has less aggressive. Southpaws it seems he prefers to fight in close, which is why he will not beat Williams in my opinion .
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yeah, and guy who are bigger like baldomir and dlh, he couldnt be agressive. he didnt have the power to hurt them and if he was agressive, the would have just had an easier time landing on him. against hatton, hatton mad ehimself an easy target so he didnt have to go after him. mayweather will have the most problems with guys who are bigger then he is but who still have speed and can walk through his counter punches. guy like williams and a guy like mosley.

smitty_son408 · Jul 22, 2009

^^^or he will show an entirely new aspect of his game that will prove he belongs with the legends.

El Cepillo · Aug 12, 2009

smitty_son408 said: ↑

^^^or he will show an entirely new aspect of his game that will prove he belongs with the legends.
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perhaps

El Cepillo · Sep 20, 2009

After last night I have to go with a Mayweather UD.

igor_otsky · Sep 20, 2009

El Cepillo said: ↑

After last night I have to go with a Mayweather UD.
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Maybe, but we can't count out the pacman.. hope he beats cotto and gets this fight made.

p4p_kid · Sep 20, 2009

pac has a big chance... pac will not just say yes to all of mayweather's condition.. unlike marquez. Pac will not be affected psychologically by mayweather.. He will believe that he can beat floyd, and when pac thinks that way, he performs well..

El Cepillo · Sep 20, 2009

igor_otsky said: ↑

Maybe, but we can't count out the pacman.. hope he beats cotto and gets this fight made.
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I'll be very surprised if Pacquaio beats Cotto.

essexboy · Sep 20, 2009

El Cepillo said: ↑

After last night I have to go with a Mayweather UD.
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Thats my thinking.

PH|LLA · Aug 1, 2010

del

Marcelo · Aug 1, 2010

How many more years before we can Catch this chicken??? We have been talking about this match up since Pac Koed Morales. That was 4 years ago and here we are... Still waiting for the Chicken to Grow Feathers and fight.

coffeehunk · Aug 1, 2010

*****s ***gits are allover this thread.

PAC BY FATALITY.

nbg75 · Aug 1, 2010

Pac by default

JUSTAFIGHTFAN · Aug 1, 2010

buckdacious said: ↑

Who ever is Picking Pacquiao by KO is dumb ass hell. Mayweather hasnt even touched the canvas before, how the hell is Pacquaio gonna KO Mayweather??? dreaming
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Yeah Pac your dreaming, how can you KO a guy running scared on vacation

whoupicking? · Aug 1, 2010

PH|LLA said: ↑

del
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Why did you delete your bump?

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