The definitive Devon Alexander vs Andriy Kotelnik Scorecard

I'm just stating that it is open to mistakes as it is scored by people and that compubox i not always correct. The concensus will probably most of the time be that it is correct, but compubox have a big say in determining the popular opinion on fights since the average joe think it is an impartial and flawless system. It is not impartial and flawless because it is operated by people who are open to bias and who will occassionally make bad judgements.
I am sure the persons operating the compubox program are quite good at what they do, but they will on occassions get one wrong as you and I will as well.

 

Are shots that are taken on the gloves and arms counted as landed by compubox?

 

They might be if the two guys doing the scoring are drunk or on drugs

 

Don't remember, but it wouldn't surprise me.

My main objection with compubox is that it doesn't factor in the quality or effect of the shots. That means a lot in pro boxing. For an example of quality clean punching; even though I scored Hopkins-Calzaghe 116-111 for Calzaghe, I scored some of the early rounds to Hopkins quite comfortably despite the fact he was clearly outlanded even back then. Reason? He was effective and snapped Joe's head back with frequency. He controlled the pace and made Calzaghe walk into traps and get off balance. according to compubox logic, this fight shouldn''t have been close. After all, Calzaghe outlanded B-Hop 2/1..? The problem is, everyone could see that most of the rounds were extremely close. Even though I'd be hard pressed to give B-Hop the win, but it could have been by 114-113. That's clean punching!

Or take Cotto-Margo as an example of effective punching; Cotto outlanded Margo in most of rounds, and in the clean powershots criteria too. But Margarito's punches were much more effective. Not only did he control the centre of the ring and pace completely, he also hurt Cotto several times. In round 10, Margarito was clearly losing. But with seconds left, he hurt Cotto badly. By compubox logic, I should have given that round to Cotto. After all, he DID outland him heavily..? The problem is, you can't. AM was the effective man in this fight.

In this fight, Kotelnik controlled the pace and was ring general troughout the fight. If I were to pick, say, 40 of the best shots of the night, Kotelnik would have gotten at least 35 of them. No kidding. Devon's head snapped back all the time. In the second scoring criteria - defense - Kotelnik again clearly excelled. Alexander was so prone to getting hit with basic attacks whenever Kotelnik got close. Kotelnik picked off almost all punches except the one occasional good hook or straight left to the body.

And somehow, you want to use Compubox??

After rescoring:

1. Draw (generous to Devon)
2. CLEARLY Kotelnik. Don't see the fuss about this round
3. Devon, close
4. Close to Kotelnik
5-12. Kotelnik basically swept all of these. Watch the puches landed and the criterias above and it's not a difficult fight to score. Devon manages to land some good shots of his own in 11 and 12 but is getting outlanded by effective shots 3/1. And Michigan Warrior, if you wanna go by crowd noise, the "Oohs" and "Aaahs" and the worried silence the whole fight ought to tell you something...

Lederman after round 10: "Based on effective aggression, clean punching and ring generalship, Alexander is winning this fight EASILY". Seriously? How the *** can he speak about CLEAN punching??!!

 

I too had a serious problem with Lederman. Really it looked as though he was watching a different fight altogether! I really don't know where he saw 1) Alexander outlanding Kotelnik for the entire fight as he made out and 2) Kotelnik only throwing single shots cos I saw him tag Alexander with combinations, clean! shots with good pop. So if outworking someone is hitting air and gloves, then yes that's a win for Alexander but if you factor in proper scoring criteria, you HAVE to admit that Kotelnik was the boss in there, timing, accuracy, defense, EFFECTIVE aggression was with him the entire fight.

 

robbery is a word, used too often.
regarding this fight, it comes close. Im inches away from naming it, as such.

after 6 i had it even, but out of the last 6, kotelnik easely won 4 and quite possibly 5.

there is just no way, that alexander won this fight or even get a draw.

 

To the haters theory that Alexander was throwing and missing. Its alot better than not throwing punches like Kotelnik was doing doing that same sequence.

 

Good post..this was the BEST CASE SCENARIO that i had for Devon...there were 2 rounds that many would probably have given to kotelnik to make it 8-4 (one early/mid round and the 11th)...ive seen people say it was 11-1 and all this crazy nonsense...it was a close fight, a hometown decision but not a highway robbery as some are suggesting...with that being said, i dont think the better man won the fight.

 

Kotelnik won round 2 and pretty clearly imo, in fact the only rounds i think devon won clearly were 3 and 9, there were a couple of other close rounds and the rest goes to kotelnik. If your a fan of compu box they tell us kotelnik outlanded devon overall, in 7 of the 12 rounds he outlanded devon and he also had better stats in the rounds he won. Added to that if you watched the fight you can clearly see he landed by far the better shots overall. Yet he still lost!!

Maybe the judges hang out with that other guy who scored the williams martinez fight 119 - 110 for williams :rofl

So much for we score on clean and effective shots mantra we hear so often, what a load of rubbish. Kotelnik landed the cleaner and more effective shots and more of them in more rounds and controlled the fight better than his opponent.

Maybe some of these american judges need to get their eyes examined or maybe they are just too biased

 

Considering Alexander missed more than 80% of his shots, the answer should be an obvious no. Ledderman seems to love them though citing awesome activity.

 

Had it for Kotelnik by 2 rounds. But it was a close fight at the end of the day no matter waht the scorecards read. Quantity vs Quality. It's how you score or like your fights. I need to see a bit of both. Quality and Qunaitity.

But there was little QUALITY from Devon and Little QUANTITY from Kotelnik. So we see a close fight.

 

Bull****, Kotelnik threw 763 punches total. Over 700 punches is not too little quantity. It could be perceived to be not enough for the fact that Alexander threw 1,100 air punches.

You don't get credit for throwing over 400 more punches at the air, gloves, or arms. He missed 911 of them awesome punches, if you want to look at it that way. It's abysmal.

 

:good Yes, Kotelnik is a good fighter.

I still think Alexander has a bright future. One fight does not make a career. Too many folks, it seems, overreact to one outing.

 

There's no way Alexander won the 11th round. Watch it again.

Devon landed like 2 clean punches that round, a straight left at the 2:03 mark and I guess a glancing short left at 2:42. Other than that, Devon hit air, arms, and gloves this round.

On the other side, Kotelnik snaps Devon's head back several times this round, including a big left hook at the 0:57 mark that really turns Devon's head.