What is sweet science? Alexander's ineffective volume or Kotelnik's clean punching?

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What sweet science is all about? One fighter throwing a zillion punches on the guard with no serious effect, or the other throwing less, but actually landing on target, outfoxing and outboxing the volume guy with a highly intelligent tactic?
     
  2. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kotelnik was robbed...we get it
     
  3. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Apparently being 'busy' missing wildly.
     
  4. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    imo kotelnik didn't close out... if he won the last 2 rounds he would have won the fight
     
  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Care to comment on the thread title maybe? What do you consider sweet science of the two?
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    how do you figure. He won the 11th round hands down and anyways he lost by 4 points so even if he won the last 2 rounds, he wouldn't win the fight.
     
  7. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    i havent seen tha fight but clean effective and economic punching should always be scored ahead of walking forward throwing lots but missing or hitting gloves with lots
     
  8. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kotelnik won the 12th for what it's worth, Alexander was out on his feet, if this was a 15 rounder, Alexander would have been stopped.
     
  9. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah but Alexander was busy!
    He was also black American fighting at home with a 0 on HBO on Don Kings card.
    No wonder the Klits cant be asked to fight in USA.
     
  10. Olympia77

    Olympia77 New Member Full Member

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    its not easy to throw millions of punches
    takes incredible stamina

    Alexander deserves more credit
     
  11. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    again, i scored the fight 114-113 kotelnik
     
  12. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    so just being fitter and throwing is better than actual boxing ?
     
  13. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    the judges DID see Alexander land his left on many occasions, setted up by spamming his jab... they also dont have the benefit of a punch tracker like we do so....

    their view of the fight is much more subjective in a PoV way, we have more information available to us thru the punch track, 3 commentators, and 1 unofficial judge, to base and form our opinions off of. So get real for pete's sake....

    Kind of roleplaying into their possible PoV. Alexander circling around but throwing much more punches, including combinations. Alot of them falling short, some on the arm, but 1 or 2 slips thru the guard and lands. Kotelnik actually dictating the terms of the fight with being able to stay in the pocket and time Alexander well. He kind of potshotted him at first but WAS committing in combinations too.

    One fighter committed alot more energy and aggression but not as effective. The other fighter didnt commit as much energy or fully engaged his opponent, but effective in his punching. Punches landed came close to be the same too. So down to it, which fighter you gonna award the victory. Like Lederman said in the end, its down to your personal choice of style. He admitted liking a busier fighter, and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, i think its on the less busier fighter to shine and pointedly outclass the busier fighter to get that decision. Kotelnik didnt do that. As someone else said, he didnt close out the fight when he could of. If the judges awarded Alexander the last 2 rounds and Kotelnik could have stole them, it would have been a 4 point swing and a draw... thats what i have the fight as personally
     
  14. bigboxingfan

    bigboxingfan Hypejob Full Member

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    Yeah punching air and gloves all night deserves a lot of credit :roll:
     
  15. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Clean effective punching is what boxing is all about.
    Kotelnik won the fight with 9 rounds to 3.