Undefeated Fighters are not True Champions?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, Aug 14, 2010.


  1. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, but I mean (putting the health issues aside), Lewis was meant to have that rematch, I thought they were already talking and that the contract was close to being signed but the he suddenly doesn't wanna fight Vitali and chose to retire... I was just thinking, if he was thinking of retirement he could've done it before talking (verbally agreeing) about a rematch, and just retire. It just made me wonder about the reasons why he did it so suddenly. Was he doubting the victory based on last performance of both of them? Did he spoke of the rematch too hastily?

    I don't know but still he was a great champ, no doubt about that!!
     
  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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  3. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good post. Being undefeated is not the automatic equivalent of being untested. And being a true champion doesn't necessarily have to involve bouncing back from a loss, that's ridiculous.

    What is true is that many undefeated fighters in this day and age are undefeated because they are untested, but that's not the same thing.

    And what's also true is that a loss can greatly improve a fighter if he deals with it like a real champion, and uses it as an opportunity to learn.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    you're talking prime rjj here?

    But I agree, no need for a 'true champion' to have a loss... Some champions would certainly benefit from it I think, one in particular.
     
  5. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A guy can be a true champ whether he is undefeated or not.

    While I do believe the undefeated aspect is pretty much always overplayed, and usually an indication of clever, or careful matchmaking, being undefeated, in and of itself, does not mean a fighter is made up of lesser stuff.
     
  6. Slider75

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  7. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Noone would make such a claim.
     
  8. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    Don't you mean older, slower and smaller opponents? :deal
     
  9. TboneNYC

    TboneNYC World Champion Full Member

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    Marciano was the meaning of a true champion,and it had nothing to do with him being undefeated.

    Great sportsman,great person outside of the ring,one of the best roll models,and a hell of a great champion.

    Long live the Rock!
     
  10. greatone

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    Bernard never "clearly" lost any of his fights outside of jones. Besides, him being the underdog in all of his fights and prevailing against the odds overshadows his losses.
     
  11. greatone

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  12. Amp

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    So is Floyd a true champion ?
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Floyd got the 'W' against JLC in a fight he actually lost. So the easiest thing in the world would have been for him to claim victory and move on. But he had the balls to take the rematch and prove his worth.
     
  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    A better title for this thread would be 'Are Undefeated Fighters Lesser Champions?"

    :lol:
     
  15. Amp

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    You didnt answer the question