Pascal Exposed Dawson as Hopkins Exposed Pavlik

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I told anyone who would listen that Chad Dawson was not close to what he was being made out to be.

    Props to Jean Pascal -- far from a perfect fighter -- for proving me correct.

    Movement, and younger-than-40-year-old-legs, is the formula to beat Chad Dawson.

    Movement killed Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins. And movement was what finally exposed Chad Dawson.

    HUGE props to Jean Pascal. He got my attention in the loss to Froch and he won me over in the two wins against a rough, tough Adrian Diaconu (whom Dawson shamelessly ducked).

    Jean Pascal: Ring Magazine LHW champion of the world.

    And back to the drawing board of "Sad" Chad Dawson. He's not what you thought he was, folks. As we tried to tell you before.
     
  2. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sorry Paul, but nobody was exposed here. If anything Pascal was exposed as being a very intelligent champion, that outsmarted the man to beat at 175.

    The Hopkins-Pavlik fight also bares no similarity with this fight at all.

    But I kinda know what you're trying to say:good
     
  3. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His best was actually for Adamek. And guess who trained him?

    But yes, some have overrated him in the past few years.

    He needs to step up his punch-out-put.


    The big difference between these matchups is that Pavlik wasn't ever going to beat Hopkins. Dawson still has a chance. He wasn't dominated at all and showed how you can get to Pascal.
     
  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Typical overrated guy. If the guy fights in a "slick" style, has some speed, doesn't take risks, and it helps if he's african american (adds to the slickness...) he's "a genius boxer" and if you think he's not the second coming of Jesus, then "you don't know anything about baaaahxing".

    Just check out this gem.

    Based on skin color is what he meant.
     
  5. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mostly this fight demonstrated the huge difference in depth between168 and 175.
    Basically - if you can hang with a top 6 fighter at 168, you can most likely rule 175 if you move up... Just like Pascal showed.
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Ridiculous thing to say. You have four fighters who do not fight anything a like. You have one fighter who fought above his normal division while sick and injured. You have a fight stopped by a head butt. Et, et, et. Really ****ing stupid comparison.
     
  7. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well since Pascal moved up and a few other younger fighters filling the ranks at 175, 175 is getting stronger, abit of from 168 though.

    The reality is Pascal has improved quite abit from his title shot with Froch. That should be apparent.

    So basically your idea of 168 and 175 being so different is riddled with bull****.
     
  8. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    **** no.


    1) Hopkins schooled Pavlik. Plus, it was the 40 year old boxer against a young fighter.

    2) Dawson-Pascal was 7-3 o 6-4, both are relatively young and Dawson had his moments in the fight.
     
  9. luciuslim

    luciuslim Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dont like this comparison, yes pascal won by a pretty big margin but he still gave up some rounds and even got hurt in the 11th, technically he fought a very good fight(still could have ironed out a few things) but a far cry from hopkins master class performance against kelly
     
  10. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In no way, shape, or form are those 2 fights comparable.

    The one thing the fight exposed, and this frustrates me as a fan of Dawson's, is Dawson's seeming lack of competitiveness(in comparison to other elite fighters). He has the offensive skills to pay the bills(defense has always been a question mark)...but he wasn't using them until it was almost too late. There's not a doubt in my mind that he could easily have a higher KO rate if he didn't let guys off the hook and give them chances to recover.

    However, Pascal has long been known as a ferocious competitor. Hats off to him, he fought a tremendous fight.
     
  11. o_money

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    I see your point. BUt Kelly got owned badly. Pascal was doing well. Had a big lead on the score cards and was tiring late. But yeah Chad isn't a boxing god. Mayweather fighters don't get out quicked by sluggers that load up on there punches. Hell they don't even duck into spots where they can't throw back and get tagged all night doing it.
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, Boo. If you don't see the comparison here you're not as astute an observer of the sport as I thought you were.

    Movement killed Dawson in this fight, as it killed Pavlik vs Hopkins. He had nothing, NOTHING, when Pascal was on his toes in rounds 1-5. I was stunned at how bad Chad looked.

    BUT, I knew Chad had been fighting old men with old legs and so this wasn't a complete shock, that this could happen. Just didn't expect it to be as bad for Chad as it was. Wow, he was even more overrated than I originally thought, and I thought he was fairly overrated.
     
  13. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    and guess who trained Adamek, that's right Jeff Mayweather. The man who take aggressive, exciting pressure fighters like Adamek and Ibragimov and ruins them by trying to turn them into patient slick fighters.
     
  14. Liston3

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    I wouldn't say Dawson was exposed. He has wins over Adamek, Tarver, and Johnson. I think he's a bit too far along to be considered "exposed" after a loss.
     
  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    hell no that's a weak comparison. never in the fight did pavlik ever have a chance vs. hopkins, while dawson won 3-4 rounds and he was on his way to stop pascal. ridiculous comparison