Fighting Pascal or Bute? Demand a neutral venue!

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I'm going to try to be careful how I word this because I'm not hating on anyone. I just think there is an issue with fighting Canadian fighters in Montreal.

    Fighters and their promoters will often accept a home town venue because that's where the money is. However, I think that in the future any opponent who fights Lucian Bute or Jean Pascal should give up the big bucks, and demand a neutral venue.

    Let's revisit Pavlik/Martinez for a moment. Kelly sustained cuts that required over 30 stitches to close. During 4 consecutive rounds he fought with blood streaming all the way down to his waist. All 3 cuts came from clean, legal punches. The doctor did warn the corner about getting the bleeding under control a couple times, but the fight continued. That fight took place in Atlantic City, which slightly favors Kelly, but is a more or less neutral venue.

    In the Pascal/Dawson fight a single cut opened due to a head butt in the 11th round. Pascal was in trouble when Dawson got cut, but he was ahead on the cards. Stopping the fight clearly benefitted the home town fighter.

    Now let's revisit Bute/Andrade. If you apply the IBF rules in a very strict and technical manner, you can call Bute the winner. However, I think we can all agree that the referee's actions were questionable, and a lot of refs would have stopped the fight and declared Andrade the winner.

    Now, before anyone starts flaming me, let me say, I am a big Bute fan, and I am warming up to Jean-Thenistor Pascal. I just think that any top fighter who fights either of these guys in Montreal is out of his ****ing mind.
     
  2. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    i agree they were quick to stop the fights and shouldnt have but lets not get it twisted they wernt robbed by fighting in mentreal they got beat fair and square
    theres other places id rather my fighter avoid than canada
     
  3. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    with recent judging in Pirog vs Jacob and more recently the robbery that was Alexander vs Kotelnik.
    They need to stay away from USA more than Canada.
    even germany would be better.
     
  4. FromWithin

    FromWithin Living for the city Full Member

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    First when watching the fight live myself I thought the fight should've been stopped but after seeing the rules and the real situation I have no problem with that even if Marlon Wright did start the count late (But anyway Bute was up at 8)

    It's maybe more a ref problem you are talking about. I didn't think the doctor would've stopped the fight as fast, but I think that Dawson's cut was worst than Kelly's? The blood was flowing like hell, and maybe - maybe - Dawson would have had a chance against Pascal if he didn't get cut (IMO Dawson would'nt have knocked him out) but no way in hell he would have stopped Pascal with that nasty cut making him completely blind in one eye. I don't want to see a guy lose an eye because he has too much heart.
     
  5. di tullio

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    It's ridiculous for you to think Chad could have continued. That cut and the amount of blood streaming out of it was freakish. Kelly's cut wasn't anything like that.
     
  6. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this attitude is terrible for boxing it something that certain fighters including the man in your av would consider disgusting.there is not a place in boxing when there hasn't being dodgy reffing.
     
  7. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    the cut wasent an end of 11th round stopping cut i agree and anyone who does needs to look again but it wasent the main factor in the fight and imo didnt change the outcome
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I should have included this statement in my original post:

    We may be seeing the beginning of a pattern. If Pascal and/or Bute fight in neutral venues, it decreases the likelihood of controversey, and makes their wins that much better. "If" is a huge word in boxing, but "if" they're winning fights they should be losing, that's a problem.
     
  9. zato-one

    zato-one Pink Jumpsuit Boxing Full Member

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    Miranda, Andrade, Zuniga, Joppy, all think this post is legit!




    ....seriously, aside from the end of the first andrade fight, im fine with the officials. Officiating is bad EVERYWHERE because this is a judged sport. You arent new to boxing, so dont pretend like you are
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    You're a clown. Anyone who knows anything about Boxing knows that Dawson had turned into a knockout destroyer for those last two rounds, and Pascal was moments away from getting knocked into third row until he purposefully headbutted his opponent.

    Let's be realistic. It's not as if Dawson hasn't knocked anyone out in three years, and Pascal has never been off his feet as a professional...

    ...Oh...wait. :think
     
  11. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    man now you are hating on Bute because he has been mentioned as a possible Pavlik opponent.
    and don't worry Bute won't need anyones help to beat Pavlik up. He isn't a blown up JMW and he is just as big as Pavlik so he should make quick work of him.
     
  12. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :nut:nut what? just come out and say it if you think Bute and Pascal have had a bigger advantage in monteral than most other fighters get fighting at home.

    come out and say it if you want but i think many will think you're wrong.
     
  13. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would look more at the styles and I think I would avoid fighting pascal because he knows how to use a style that works the judges (from crowd cheering unconditionally at anything flashy). This will get into an opponents head no matter what. I would be more worried about that than getting a bad decision by the judges or refs.

    Bute is gonna box and pascal is gonna run around and dart in with something flashy when he knows his opponent is in full defense mode. I would avoid fightin any fighter in thier hometown who has the potential to do that.
     
  14. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bute vs. Andrade 1 was the most blatant ref fix I have seen in my 34 years on this earth. The decision in Guzman vs. Funeka was also horrible. The cut in the Dawson fight was bad, and a judgment call I didn't really have a problem with.

    Overall, if Canada was that great the US would have taken it a couple of hundred years ago. Or sent in the Boy Scouts last month. The only way for them to ensure big fights is to ensure Bute keeps winning.
     
  15. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I think that's a little harsh Jeff. However, if we see controversy once, we can say, Oh well. It's boxing. **** happens everywhere. If we see controversey twice, it's wise to take note of it. If we see it a 3rd time, that's a pattern.