pavlik - taylor

your response has nothing to do with what I had to say... not only that but

tito was too small to bully winky
winky was too small to bully bhop

you gotta understand boxing before you say these things... regardless neither of these guys were very rugged fighters.. they just out smart you.. they don't try to break you down.. any fighter who tries to break you down jermain taylor will probably lose to

 

you call jermain overrated. overrated fighters don't make tito basically look like he's gonna cry he's being outclassed so bad. your prior threads indicate that you don't understand boxing.

 

I was there in AC that night! Best fight I ever witnessed!!!

Almost died in the 2nd round when Kelly went down. But he showed alot of heart & quit the clowning around after that one.

 

WHAT?

what are you talking about bro... I said JT is over rated... you talking about winky... what are you talking about?

 

what i'm saying is "overrated" fighters don't fight hopkins or that version of winky that hard or that close. this isnt very hard to wrap your head around....at least it shouldnt be

 

I've watched this fight at least 10 times, and I've watched portions of it many more times. I've watched the knockdown sequence in slow motion many times.

When JT threw the first series of punches he landed very little, and nothing really flush. Pav was slipping, rolling, and catching punches on his gloves very effectively. It looked as though KP thought JT was done punching. He dropped his guard and stuck his chin out as if to say, "**** you. You can't even hit me."

And all hell broke loose. Jermain caught Kelly behind the left ear with a hellacious right hand that hurt KP. JT proceeded to throw another 15 punches, two elbows, and a pretty blatant head butt. Eight punches, one elbow, and the head butt all landed flush on the money, and Kelly went down.

Pav came back out in the 3rd round, and put a beating on Jermain. I love Manny Steward's comments in the post fight presser. "He came out like nothin' ever happened. (Shakes his head) Like nothin' ever happened. I said, well, we got a problem."

 

Good news guys both fights are up on youtube and have been added recently. I'm gonna rewatch them later today them and Bute-Andrade 1. Lovely day I'm going to have this afternoon.

 

I really hope Taylor stays retired. He was once the recognized middleweight champ fo the world, has good money, a meaningful life after boxing with his family. He will never, ever the best again in any weightclass. Taylor is a strange case of some wordlclass attributes like hand speed, heart and athleticism and being very lacking in ring intelligence, stamina and punch resistance. He will never beat a big puncher and he will never have a great round 10 - 12, there are just too many fighters out there who will beat him on those deficiencies alone.

 

If JT had stayed with Burns, I think his reign at middleweight would have been considerably better. The good news is that if he comes back, it will be with Burns in his corner.

 

Was at this fight back in 2007. Man what a fight. Taylor had Pavlik about to go in the second. I remember being stunned when taylor was knocked out. It was so sudden. Funny thing is i just happened to youtube this last friday while bored. such a good fight

 

Picked Taylor to knock out Pavlik or win a UD in the first fight.

 

It was on the undercard of Taylor/Spinks or Taylor/Ouma, one of those. Damn good fight that was.

 

Both of those guys were riding on the P4P lists until they faced Hopkins. Hopkins is the guy who exposed both of their limitations and took away their confidence. They were never the same after facing him. I wonder how much better their careers would've been had they not faced this legend.