Super 6 Advancements- I'm confused

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  1. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    froch = 2 points - 1 win (dirrell) - 1 loss (kessler)
    aa = 3 points - 1 win (JT TKO) - 1 loss (dirrell)
    dirrell = 2 points - 1 win (aa) - 1 loss (froch)
    ward = 4 points - 2 wins (kesser & green) - 0 loss
    Kessler = 2 poitns - 1 win (froch) - 1 loss (ward)
    Green = 0 points - 0 win - 2 loss (ward & inherited JT's ko loss to aa)

    now....

    I'm confused about how advancements will work.... because due to certain outcomes there will be tie's amongst certain fighters or certain fighters with more points yet they loss to a fighter with less points such as aa & dirrel. If aa loses to froch & dirrell loses to ward.... aa will have 3 points but dirrell still beat him. Is this tournament solely based on points or does the history have any thing to do with it.

    another example

    green tko's kessler
    froch decisions AA
    dirrell decisions ward

    this will = green 3 points, kessler 2 points, froch 4 points, AA 3 points, dirrell 4 points & ward 4 points

    who advances in that case? that would be the most outrageous situation because they would have 5 fighters with a legit claim to being finalists but a couple of them haven't even fought one another.

    Someone clear this up for me
     
  2. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Ward
    Dirrell
    Froch
    AA advances over green because he won more rounds.
     
  3. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oh really so they count rounds also?

    well then what if froch tko's aa in like 3 rounds?

    green must inherit the points that were won in jt's fight against aa as well. I'm just trying to figure this thing out. I feel like there is potential for disaster. Imagine if there was a a tie amongst those last 2 guys. It would be interesting
     
  4. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yea whats new, still trying to figure out 10-10 rounds..
     
  5. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    Any scenario beginning with Green ko'ing Kessler is meaningless. If you ask yourself what are the tiebreaker rules, there is a couple of posts on the subject. You'll have an answer to your question. If I remember, the boxers with the most ko's advance first, then it's the H2H criteria, then the total scorecards points.
     
  6. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah Green beating kessler by tko/ko is far fetched I know... just throwing it out there
     
  7. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    The rounds won are the last criteria. In that case, they would both have one ko on their record. They wouldn't hace faced eachother. In the fights with a KO, the boxer winning gets a 10 for each round not completed. I don't know if Green inherits of Taylor scorecard against Abraham. I suppose so.

    Anything is still possible, depending of what happens in their two fights. Abraham has a good lead in the total rounds won, though.
     
  8. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess thats one good thing about this tourny... anyone can still make it into the finals... will take some luck but certainly possible
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    still 3 spots for left for the finals
     
  10. WesT

    WesT Boxing Addict banned

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    I don't think rounds won is fair criteria. More fair would be the % of rounds won
     
  11. robpalmer135

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    COMPLETE TIE BREAK INFORMATION

    If two boxers are tied in points after the Group Stage bouts, the seeding will be determined as follows:
    Head-To-Head: If the tied boxers had fought each other, the winner of that bout will be seeded above the other.
    Knockouts: If the two had NOT fought head-to-head or if they fought to a draw, the boxer with the most tournament KOs/TKOs will be seeded above the other.

    Scorecards*: If they remain tied after the KO/TKO test, then the seeding is determined by the total scorecard points earned by the fighters from each of their Group Stage bouts. The boxer with more scorecard points will be seeded above the other.

    If more than two boxers are tied in points after the Group Stage bouts, the seeding will be determined as follows:
    Knockouts: The boxer with the most tournament KOs/TKOs will be seeded above the tied competitors.
    Scorecards*: If two or more boxers remain tied after the KO/TKO test, then the seeding is determined by the total scorecard points earned by the fighters from each of their Group Stage bouts. The boxers will be seeded from highest total scorecard points to the lowest.

    * Those boxers who win prior to the final bell (via KO/TKO/DQ/Tech Decision, etc.) earn 10 points for each incomplete round. Those who lose earn 8 points in a KO/TKO round and 9 points for each subsiquent round.

    ** Allan Green inherited Jermain Taylor’s scorecard points from Abraham vs. Taylor.

    Total Scorecard Points (through Group Stage 2)
    Ward……………….713
    Dirrell………………690
    Kessler…………….679
    Froch………………679
    Abraham………….677
    Green………………658

    GROUP STAGE 3 BREAKDOWN

    The Super Six World Boxing Classic continues on Saturday, Sept. 25, when SHOWTIME® presents a world championship doubleheader to kick off Group Stage 3—the final Group Stage of the round-robin portion of the tournament. First, Mikkel Kessler will look to lock up a spot in the Semi Finals when he faces Allan Green. Kessler is making the first defense of his second world title, the WBC 168-pound strap he wrested from Carl Froch last April. Green desperately needs a win to have a shot at the Semi Finals. Following his loss to Andre Ward, Green may need a knockout and/or help from his fellow competitors to earn one of the four spots.

    Immediately following, live on SHOWTIME, Ward will face 2004 U.S. Olympic teammate and friend Andre Dirrell in a highly anticipated matchup between the talented, breakout American stars. Although Ward has already locked up his Semi-Final berth as the only contestant to win both initial Group Stage matches, he promises a fierce defense of his WBA world championship belt and undefeated professional record. Dirrell, conversely, needs a win to guarantee his place in the Semis. Conceivably, Dirrell could get in with two points but he would need help from Green and/or Arthur Abraham.

    On Saturday, Oct. 2, from the city/state Principality of Monaco, Arthur Abraham and Froch will meet at the Chapiteau de l’Espace for their pivotal Group Stage 3 matchup, the last of the Group Stage bouts. Following Abraham vs. Froch, the four fighters with the highest point totals on the Super Six World Boxing Classic scoreboard will advance to the Semi Finals, tentatively slated for the first quarter 2011.

    Abraham is currently in second place with three points by virtue of his knockout victory over Jermain Taylor in Group Stage 1. But in Group Stage 2, Abraham was outboxed by Dirrell and ultimately disqualified for the first professional loss of his career. Froch remains tied with Kessler and Dirrell at two points.
     
  12. robpalmer135

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    if you stopped a guy in the 4th round you would get 10 points for the other 8 rounds and the loser would get 8.
     
  13. WesT

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    This content is protected

    Now this is fair
     
  14. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it's interesting then that dirrell is 2nd
     
  15. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Froch beat Dirrell...

    Edit: ignore me, you had Ward on 4 points too..