What does a Hopkins victory do for his legacy?

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    A thread already exists discussing where the victory would rank among his greatest wins, but how about in terms of P4P ranking and legacy? For example, would a victory over Jean Pascal as this point warrant Hopkins overthrowing Roy Jones Jr? Could Hopkins even get closer to being considered the best fighter of his generation? This isn't to say Pascal is a monstrous scalp, but in the context of where Hopkins is at in his career comparatively to the Frenchman, I think the win would make an impact.

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  2. GOAT79

    GOAT79 New Member Full Member

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    who framed roger rabbit......................i mean mayweather?
     
  3. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    No i don't think this overthrows Jones at all. Jean Pascal is nothing special at all. He's just an average fighter. He has a loss to Froch and a win against Dawson, that's all he has on resume SO FAR.

    It would be a good considering where Hopkins is at right now, but it wouldn't even be top 5 of his best.

    Honestly I see Hopkins beating Pascal like he did to Tarver very easy fight for him.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    First of all, I'm fairly confident he's going to lose... but would he win it will be a major accomplishment.
    Not that Pascal is among the best fighters he ever faced or beaten for that matter, but because B-:hop is far over the hill and then still beating the #1 LHW is monumental.

    Still he wouldn't pass RJJ in my book, people just forget how good Roy was and what the man accomplished and how. He's just tainting his legacy by going on far too long (the thing he said would never happen to him).
     
  5. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    The fight is winnable for Hopkins and a win for him is going to overrate his legacy far and beyond.

    A win wont put him ahead of RJJ but it will shut the haters up that his legacy is only glorified from beating up smaller fighters (with the exception of Tarver).
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    At 45/46 years old, a win over Pascal at 175 for the former long reigning middleweight champion would be his best single win, imo. Not the best fighter on his resume at all, but the context would make it the best win, IMO. It would make it a monstrous scalp, to me. While it wouldn't put him above Jones on my list, it makes a reasonable case if someone else wanted to, to me.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I respect your using a different font to stand out from the crowd also.
     
  8. kirk

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    Seems to me that a lot of people arent going to give Hopkins the credit he deserves should he win this fight....

    Pascal is a top light heavyweight, and arguably the man at the division right now, and who just dethroned Chad Dawson (being the only person to beat him). He is relatively young, he is strong, hes fast, got good pop, hes in his prime, and hes a big guy.

    This isnt a guy whos moving up in weight to fight Hops, this isnt a guy whos looked shaky recently, this is a young stud coming off the best win of his career, and will be fighting Hopkins at his natural weightclass.

    Not to mention, that Hopkins has looked like hes at the end of his long road finally in his last two fights... as old as Hopkins is, and it showing up recently, a win over Pascal at this point deserves all the credit in the world, even if Pascal is not a p4p fighter.

    I dont know, i just kinda think people arent viewing this fight in its proper context.... Just IMO
     
  9. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    I agree with these two posts.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I would seriously consider ranking Hopkins above Jones if he was to defeat Jean Pascal. I'm actually already of the opinion that Bernard has a comparable if not superior list of fighters to his resume, and as Boxed Ears rightfully points out, defeating a Jean Pascal at this stage in his career is the equivalent to a monstrous scalp.
     
  11. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins legacy is made up of beating up smaller men, at least roy jones didn't chase guys smaller than him.

    Froch already beat pascal, this win does hardly anything to a man who got beat by calzaghe.
     
  12. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jean Pascal isn't special but being LHW champion of the world at 50 years old is. It would be an extraordinary accomplishment for someone who ,I believe, has hung around this long for exactly this sort of opportunity.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Exactly. I liken this to Roberto Duran beating the huge Iran Barkley up at Middleweight in 1989. This won't be anywhere near as great as that if Hopkins pulls it off, but it's comparable. Pascal is fast and explosive, non-comparable to the plodding Kelly Pavlik.
     
  14. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It would be a very big win for him and improve his legacy quite a bit. At least a Top3 win up there with Trinidad and Tarver.

    I already think Hopkins and Jones rank in the same bracket. There isn´t much between them and you can rank either one above the other. If Hopkins would beat Pascal I think he should be ranked above Jones.
    Best of his generation? Well, not if you consider Pacquiao and Holyfield part of it.
     
  15. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yet he lost to carl froch:lol: