There are guys in MMA who rely mostly on their boxing to win fights like Junior Dos Santos. But in order to compete in MMA, he has to do a lot of training such as takedown defense and submission defense to be able to beat fighters with other styles. It's hard to think someone like Dos Santos would not be able compete with a boxing contender. The fight is 12rds, and they are not used to relying on their defense as much as fulltime boxers. GL Kimbo.
there have been alot of Kickboxers that have done both i believe that Troy Dorsey was a champion in both sports. If the MMa fighter has a base in one of those sports I would say yes if they are primarily wrestlers probably no
I think that's because the average drunken slob in a bar room brawl probably isn't going to be versed in submissions. But we're talking pro- MMA fighters/boxers in a street fight. I've seen several street fights end in crudely placed head locks before. Hell, fights that I've had with my own cousin have ended that way. Check out this real-life backroom brawl. Charles 'Krazy Horse' Bennett was talking trash against Wanderlei Silva (who didn't understand English) and ended up tackling and swinging wildly at the visibly smaller Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu coach Cristiano Cristiano. Silva 'The Axe Murderer' would have demolished Bennett if he had decided to jump in. Anyway, Bennett went to sleep. This is the same Bennett that knocked out KJ Noons. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHF_R6Nf_3g[/ame]
Give Jose Aldo a chance to train in nothing but boxing for a while (he is already a tremendous striker).... and nobody is going to convince me that this man can't be successful at ANYTHING in the fighting world. He's 23 years old. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpKfUviYSjU[/ame] BTW, I see that you metioned Faber. In this video you will see Aldo seriously outclassing him.
Wow... Old UFC kinda did back in the day because it was not evolved and amateur. The reason you don't see submissions in the streets is because most people never heard of them and only 1 out of 10 that have knows how to do them. Do you not realize that MMA today is the evolved version of w/e amateur **** that you enjoyed back in the early '90s? You know what evolution is? It's when something adapts in order to survive. Well MMA fighters adapted in order to win their matches, so they dropped all the useless **** and trained in techniques that worked to win fights. You're saying as if they're not effective. Kicks to the head were allowed in very recent times and haven't made much difference when it came to a collection of useful skills such as grappling and kickboxing. Headbutts made even more horrible for the people who are facing against wrestlers. This has been discussed over and over. Yes, they are both sports, but MMA is a very close adaptation of a real fight. It is also very good indicator of what would work in your "real" fight. Best fighter in the world is some barroom brawler? ****ing really? Here we have professional athletes who TRAIN to fight every single day of their lives and you compare them to drunk tards who just happen to be fighting a lot in bars? :huh So the best sprinter must be a mexican who ran away from border police but we'll probably never hear about him. Punisher33, you're clearly clueless. The point of MMA is actually learning how to defend yourself while you're doing and avoiding **** like getting kicked in the head while you're down. It's actually hard against a person who's intelligently defending himself. In fact there's a person who kind of specialized in kicking people in the head but he actually trained techniques on how to bypass common intelligent defenses. I must emphasize the word intelligent, because it seems most people who haven't gotten a clue, think of attacks and defenses when someone is down to be "common sense" stuff, while it is very far from it.
I have never seen a Mixed Martial Artist possess even close to the level of ability he would require to win a legitimate world title in Boxing. I'm not sure I ever well.
No way in hell. Thats why they are MMA fighters. Because they cant or couldnt make it in boxing. It takes alot more skill to box than dryhump. Thats why boxer's maids make as much as an MMA fighter.
You probably wouldn't have thought that Ricardo Mayorga possessed that ability either if he hadn't done it. Not all boxers and/or boxing champs have beautiful boxing technique. However, nobody can tell me that Haseem Rahman can take up boxing at age 20 and become the undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World... yet an amazing athlete like Jose Aldo who is 23 couldn't come into boxing and find any success.
Great point. In the end, fighting is fighting and some people simply have an innate ability to kick some ass. Even with a perceived sloppy style.
On the contrary, Aldo would have to be a lot more talented than a Hasim Rahman to win a world title in Boxing. Smaller fighters historically possess more ability in terms of punching technique, punching in combination, and defensive maneuvering. Rahman, essentially, landed a Heavyweight punch on another Heavyweight and a scored a dramatic knockout. He was silenced quickly in the return bout. I take your point, though, it's possible given ample amounts of training on the part of the Mixed Martial Artist. Certainly no Mixed Martial Artist would ever be good enough to win a world title in Boxing without having done the necessary training beforehand. This also works the other way also, a professional Boxer could certainly be a success in the Octagon if he was to take the sport seriously and train for a number of years in each discipline before getting their career underway. The thread title implies to me that John Garfield was reffering to Mixed Martial Artists being a threat in Boxing at their current skill level. To say, if Aldo started his boxing career now. I don't see him becoming a world champion, or making even a good go at it. Mayorga and the like, these are exceptions to the rule. I'm not going to favor it happening as a result of those few.
I love that video. Brazilians are cool as **** in that aspect. They just stand there, shout out some instructions and let them settle it. That is the coolest thing. I wish people would do that all the time.
Randy said it best..that if he fought James in a boxing match..he would get KOed..is true...NOT ONE MMA fight could step in with a true champ and have a chance..that being said...unless a lucky shot..not one Boxer could go into MMA and win a belt...unless it;s vs Tim "I am stupid" Silva