Louis was too small to beat Wlad, yet he beat bigger men...

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  1. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis beat a guy who is 6'6" therefore he beats Wlad :roll:

    Should we start enumerating how many fighters Wlad beat that is around the size of Joe Louis? :deal

    I would bet my house Wlad KOs Joe quite handily.
     
  2. buddub51

    buddub51 Member Full Member

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    they are bigger today....But Louis was aggressive like Peter, but a bit more
    skilled
     
  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    :nono No way dude. I think Marciano's great, but the Joe Louis Marciano beat was way past his prime, kinda like Floyd beating on Shane. Louis in his prime is among the greatest punchers of any era. It doesn't matter that today's HW's are 250+ lbs. If Haye, Holyfield, and Moorer were cruiserweights koing HW's, I don't see how the Brown Bomber couldn't do it either.
     
  4. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    No, Carnera is not Wlad, but Louis in his prime had enough power and skills to beat Wlad. People are proven time and time again size is an advantage, but not a guarantee their going to win because of it. Of all of Wlad's losses I don't remember it being from anyone being bigger than him.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I hope you would like living in your car.
     
  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes because all fighters the size of Joe are equal in skill level. Just like everyone Mayweather's size is equal in skill.

    This has got to be the dumbest **** I ever read on ESB.
     
  7. TheGreat

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    Wlad has shown no decent infighting ability, ZERO Poise, and that even below average fighters can trouble him if they try, Peter, TOS, Sanders, Brewster and Purrity. Louis would definitely whoop him, just a different class of fighter IMO.
     
  8. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah and Carnera is as good as Wlad. You need to understand the context of what you're reading you ****ing imbecile.
     
  9. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I chose a guy with precisely the same style and technique as Wlad. While Wlad had faster hands, on film his footwork and upperbody movement :lol: (can he even bend at the waist?), is the same speed as Carnera's. Also Carnera has better stamina, and while his chin is an issue seems like he is more willing to engage.

    Wlad's entire style is predicated on protecting his chin, and he makes the same defensive mistakes that Carnera does, IE backing up in straight lines while being straight up, not moving his head, and basically just using his height to get away. Unlike Wlad's limited opposition IE Peter, Carnera fought guys who were small, fast, sharp counterpunchers with great footspeed IE Louis.

    Both Wlad and Carnera also have a tendency to look goofy and clumsy in the ring, although Carnera throws better uppercuts, Wlad typically embarasses himself when he throws one, missing wildly.

    I mean did you see the uppercuts he threw against, soft body Ibriganov :lol:. By the way IBriganov, a small heavyweight with limited athleticism and skills, and obviously no desire to capitalize, not only survived with Wlad but showed how limited Wlad can lh a particular style of defense, one that Louis used to a much better extent, as it was used to set up some devestating counterpunches that arrived with great speed and typically in combinations.

    Combinations that Wlad's defense is not capable of defending, IE Corrie Sanders, and not to mention that Ibriganov was at a disadvantage due to his southpaw style give Wlad was his opponent. Still just the POSSIBLITY that Ibriganov had power made Wlad fight in his protect his chin at all costs style.

    This would play right into Louis's hands, but why am I wasting my time. You obviously don't know **** about boxing.
     
  10. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

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    Joe would had mpo the floor with WK and win an easy dec. Against VK, the speed and punching power of Mr. Joe was legendary.
     
  11. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    These people are delusional due to Wlad's opposition. They say Chambers is a great boxer.

    Look at his tactics vs Klitschko. They say this guy is better than guys from the past.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC9z4NFa7_Q&feature=related[/ame]

    Brilliant tactics, Eddie. Let's stand right in front of Klitschko straight up and down, making yourself a huge target, and then just lunge at him with right hands.

    :lol:

    And this is the superior tactics that these so called superior boxers use today. Great job Eddie.
     
  12. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I bet you also think Michael Grant has the same style and technique as Wlad.

    You picking the Ibragimov fight and making it up against Wlad shows you are nothing but an ignorant hater. Sultan was undefeated and he did not win a round against Wlad.
     
  13. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you really don't know **** about boxing.

    For one, Wladimir was scared shitless of Sultan's POTENTIAL countering ability and apparently his what 17-0 record, which is by the way the main reason HBO doesn't show him fight anymore. Not after that catastrophe.

    But considering Sultan is a SOUTHPAW and playing the role of a counterpuncher, he was at a signficant disadvantage especially considering Wlad's height and straight punching, which by the way FEW even landed.

    But why am I discussing tactics with you. What the **** do you know? "But, but Wlad is so big...."

    Louis would be more aggressive and is better suited to slip his jab considering his orthadox stance, his abillity to make himself a small target, Wlad's inability to bend at the waist due ot his stiffness, Louis's counterpunching ability, and Wlad's no chin, IE been knocked down 11 times by bums.
     
  14. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep. And those who pick Louis keep referring to Wlad's losses to Purity, Sanders, & Brewster. WAKE UP! Wladimir is a much better fighter now than he was then. The Wlad today never loses to those fighters.
     
  15. TheGreat

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    Sultan wasn't ****, he beat NO one of note and drew with Ray Austin.