Sonnen out !!! Silva has to go to 205 !!!

I think were done big guy , when ever you wanna dance and talk proper MMA and not little arrows pointing to where i am and you are im ready to dance !!!! :good

Oh BTW , that happens to be the list of the very best 170 and 185 lber's in the world over the last 2 - 3 years , maybe Nick Diaz might have something to say about that , or Wanderlei for that matter , but lets be real , both of them get what the last lot got from GSP and Silva :deal

Ill leave you with my initial statement

Dana White " im not a fan of guys moving out of weight classes until they have CLEANED OUT A DIVISION "

Ill leave you and Dana to discuss who's actually left in either division for GSP and Silva to clean out :good oh **** i nearly forgot , Okami's next

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Bro i think the beat down Sonnen put on Silva 1 - 4 warrants a rematch :deal

 

What argument are you making mate ??? lets cut the insults , i cannot see where you have challenged what im saying :deal

GSP has always stated his desire to move up in weight once he's proved he's the best 170 lb'er in the world , WHICH HE HAS !!! , Anderson Silva has quote said " i want to hold the 185 & 205 lb title's TOGETHER " :deal , now , what im saying is that Dana White is the reason behind neither of these two making a real push at the weight class above , Silva is 2 & 0 as a LHW in the UFC , and St Pierre has only ever really flirted with the idea of going up .

GRANTED !!!!!

Sliva since looks to have forgotten about the idea , but that is because of 2 things , his drop in form , and the fact Dana White wants at least one superstar in each division for marketing reasons , why the **** wouldnt you want to make fights like , Silva vs Evans , Silva vs Jones , Shogun , Rampage , or GSP vs Silva , GSP vs Wanderlei , but instead White seems more than happy to keep the quantity of headliners with a title at stake coming off the conveyor belt than he is giving us our superfights !!!!!

Silva should be mixing it up @205 , but he isnt , and Dana White has a lot to do with that .

How can you look a fan in the eye and say " a champion cannot move up in weight before he's cleaned out a weight class " then offer that very same champion a rematch with Dan Henderson lol: Its ****in laughable ........

Why would any MMA fan want to see Silva fight , Okami , Belcher , or anybody else he's hammered or tapped :deal WHY ???? , what argument are you making , please state clearly !!! , i know you Americans beleive in education and you like to say long hard to pronounce words , but id like just to hear exactly what your disagree'ing with !!!!

 

Ok good , now we can talk , that post looks like something i can debate with .

I think you should really watch the UFC post fight press conferences , In these conferences White has several times himself stated , what weight division he would like fighters to fight at , and i can 100% say that he has overtly stated that for Penn , GSP and Silva , like ive said the Silva situation does seem to have tailed off , but i think you are wrong in saying that White , the Fertitas or Zuffa have no influence on whether or not a fighter moves up , remember , its these people who make the offers , and it has been known for White and the UFC to make offers to fighters in the weight class they see that fighter suitable for .

On the champion thing , i think your statement about having an obligation to defend your title is true , most of the time , however round about the time Silva was knocking off MW's one after the other , and then he brutally KO'd Griffin , i dont think he was obliged to fight anybody @85 !!! , i really dont , and i still dont now that Sonnen is out , i really hate repeating myself , but we now have a scenario where Yushin Okami is one fight away from a title fight , potentially ................. for you is that an acceptable opponent for Silva ??? it aint for me .............

I must hold my hand up and say that i havent heard GSP talk about MW for some time , but i have seen him prompted in public by White to remain at WW , enough evidence for me that White is influencing the situation personally .

Then you have fighters like Nate Diaz & Diego Sanchez who like you say really have there own say whcih weight division they want to fight in (incidentally i have heard White say he'd like to see Sanchez @55 permenantly anyway) .

You make a good point about fighters losing some of there aura if they lose in a weight class above , well that is exactly the point im making , and that is one of the reasons i think White is so reluctant to push this , he is so powerfull within the organisation and does hold grudges to the point where if you say NO to this guy it could be detrimental to your career , and it seems the more yo do as he says the more rewards you reap , is that moralloy correct ??? , i dont think so .

In a nut shell i beleive Dana has a strong influence on GSP and Silva in the jumping weight class thing , and right now i beleive Silva should be fighting a genuine threat of an opponent , whether that be @205 why the **** not , in fact why not prime the guy for a run at the title while the MW division is sorting itself out , apart from Sonnen the closest thing to a #1 contender IMO would have to be Belcher , who is recovering from injury ............ so why not bump him up !!!

 

Thanks for that .................. but i dont have to sit there and say im Bruce Lee , yes i have competed MMA 2 years ago before i got wrapped up in overseas work , got 12 months training on board and 2 fights , and have been boxing all my life :good so again thanks for that ..............

Now as i said before can we cut insults ???

Ok your post , were clearly gonna have to agree to disagree , how much clout did Anderson Silva have when White was standing up there saying he may cut him or place him on the pre lim card ??? , not as much as you beleive , FACT !!! , What does an elitle level mixed martial artist do , who is not concerned about money before he is about facing the best competition in the world .................... wait .................... without the UFC ???

What does he do , he goes and fights in Strikeforce and Japan , and he makes a good living but he becomes scarred by people like me and you always pointing out he's not fighting the best fighters in the world , therefore my answer to you , who is GSP without the UFC ??? , he's the former WW champion of the world now fighting nobodys but still considered the best in the world , until ofcourse the UFC find another WW king they can build up with there PR machine and market him the way they did GSP , and inevitably GSP would return because life as a top fighter aint so rosy outside of the UFC , ask Penn & Randy ...............

The title thing , being that you are an intelligent man , or claim to be , i wasnt saying there was or wasnt any hard and fast rules about champions having to defend there titles , if you say there is , then thats cool with me sweetheart , but may i ask you this , who is the governing body for that title ????? , is it the UFC ???? , id hazard a guess and say yes , in that case , they get to pretty much do as they please with there title fights , (i may be wrong on that , i have an inkling that the NSAC may have a say but ive never heard of it) now bearing that in mind , would you be aggreived if the UFC came out and said " Anderson Silva will not fight @MW again until there is a worthy challenger for a world title " , im not talking Leites , Cote or Maia here , im talking worthy !!! , worthy because they have proved beyond reasonable doubt they are the best fighter in that division besides the champ , which is what that division needs .

I agree with you Fitch and Edgar and the likes are hard to come by , consistant world class athletes who are so difficuilt to beat you just have to sit up and take notice of them in the end , even if they are not a great marketing tool ............... and id have to place Sonnen in that bracket too , and yes not every division holds an array of fighters like this , but when a division is ruled by a true champion and the chasing pack are generally weaker contenders , you have to think outside the box and give something back to the fans .........

In the meantime Silve goes up and puts on superfights , and fights where we can say , man Anderson Silva has got his fands full here , them type of fights , and if Silva fails , then he returns and fights @MW , and he's had his chance , and we have seen some interesting fights involving Anderson Silva , please tell me this makes sense ??? !!!