You mean the rules that an MMA fighter has to let go when you tap, breaks a limb or chokes you unconscious? Ohhhh, these rules DON'T apply, okay. So an MMA fighter has his ground game skill set plus the fact he can do anything else he wants to you including what you said. The rules don't make MMA, the rules RESTRICT what you can do in MMA. So how the **** does that go in favor of a boxer? Your theory is completely wrong for 90% of the situation. If I grabbed you in a rear naked choke you'd have 3-5 seconds before you're out. You'd be shitting yourself that much over the fact you can't breath and your body is shutting down you won't have the brain power to grab and break a finger, you'd just try to remove the thing crushing your neck (my arm). Unless you have been put in this situation and trained over and over and over what to do and how to stay calm you can't do anything to get out of this. My bro was saying silly things like this a few days ago, I said okay, I'll put you in a rear naked choke and you do what you want to get away. I grabbed him and applied a rear naked choke. He grabbed my arm and tried to pull, the natural reaction in this situation which ANYONE that hasn't trained in this situation would do, this lasted for 3 seconds before he nearly passed out and I let go. You can say "In this situation I'd do blah blah blah" I love listening to friends telling me what they'd do if somebody pulled a knife on them or a 3 vs 1 fight, but unless you put yourself in a situation and train over and over you have no idea how you'd react.
I think his point may have been, MMA fighters, just like boxers do not condition themselves for these illegal moves. Tradtional BJJ has alot of moves not allowed in MMA, so why would a MMA fighter waste time training for them? However an MMA fighter would be in a better position than a boxer. And you are right about it's just as much training your mind so you can respond in the situation. You can be the most skilled person, but if it isn't second nature you probably won't use it.
Priority 1 - You must learn to sprawl and become highly efficient at avoiding takedowns. If the MMA fighter continues to be unsuccesful at take downs, they will become more reluctant to use it. This is not an easy skill to learn, but this is priority number 1 to anyone who wants to stand up and fight. This is also covered in priority 2, but a boxer must learn to shift their balance once they are grabbed, or they are caught in a clinch. Keep the body close to theirs to avoid knees and push off during the next opportunity. Priority 2 - Adjust balance and distance. Boxer will need to adjust stance to square up a bit more and shift the balance by positioning the lead leg from out in front to closer to the body. This will help them fall back into a sprawl should any takedowns come in and will help them check any low kicks which will come in. The longest range weapon is no longer the jab. If the boxer is within kicking range they must not circle to their left (or vice versa for an unthordox opponent) or they risk getting their legs kicked off. Strategy - The jab is key: double and triple up the lead hand primarily to the chest, alternating to the head when guard slips low. MMA offensive styles emphasis moving forward in a straight line than setting up angles, so a straight right will be the money shot. Hooks may work to counter punches, but I wouldn't rely on it as I doubt an MMA fighter will try and outpunch a boxer. I would not rely on an uppercut either to avoid a takedown - very difficult to land on someone closing low and fast for a takedown.
you have obviously never grappled, if a mma fighter gets a boxer on the ground he wont even be able to move his arms, he will trap his arms and pound the **** out of him. How will the boxer fish hook if he cant move his arms. i took up boxing first, done that for 5 years and started mma now 1 year ago. if the boxer can stay at range and hit a mma guy then he wins but if he makes one mistake and the mma guy grabs him and takes him down, the boxer is ****ed. My strength is striking in mma and let me tell you i still have trouble with good wrestlers.
Really? I was doing some ground work with the guy and had no problem with my arms. Also he informed me that you can no longer elbow at a 12-6 motion, which would cause ALOT of damage to an opponent trying to get into your guard
I'm lost here. Your response is a video of a guy three years into his professional MMA career winning by knockout? Do you think the fight would have turned out the same way if he didn't have 4+ years of jiu-jitsu training before that fight? At some point he stopped being a boxer and became an MMA fighter.
How do you figure he has 4+ years of jiu-jitsu experience? He was fighting in MMA after only 1 year of his last boxing match before retiring for the first time.
I think y'all are going into this with the wrong mindset. You're thinking in terms of the boxer having to avoid the strengths of the MMA fighter rather than the MMA fighter having to avoid the strengths of the boxer. This style of thought cedes the initiative to the MMA fighter. If you go in with this sort of thinking, you will definitely lose. He should be afraid of your punching and ability to avoid strikes and then generate offense. He should be perplexed by your ability to appear on one side of him and then appear at the other, hitting him before he can adjust. He should be surprised by the power of your punches and your strength in the clinch. To beat an MMA fighter at his own game, you almost have to move forward and press the offense. He may take you down once, twice, multiple times. When he does, you need to scramble and get back up. Tie him up down there if you have to. But by moving forward and punching, you force him to react to you. You close the distance so his kicks aren't as potent, and god help him if he tries to punch you. You limit his game to the takedown, and when you've done this you'll know what he's going to try to do, which is the first step toward stopping him. But you should try your best to make HIM think about stopping YOU, rather than vice versa. You have to give him something to worry about. You have to disrupt his game. This whole running away from him and 'maintaining distance' won't work. It's a defensive strategy and it allows him to think and plan how to impose his will on you. Your job is to make him too busy trying to stop you from imposing your will on him. And don't forget that you can leg kick him, elbow him in the clinch, knee him, etc. Just because he's better than you at something doesn't mean you can't do it to him too. As a boxer, you'd be at a decided disadvantage. But not quite as bad as many people think. You have to attack though, or you'll be beaten badly.
A boxer has to avoid the takedown, the main thing an MMA fighter should do is take down a boxer and you just make it easier by moving in and attempting to punch the guy. MMA fighters RESPECT a boxer's punching ability, they're never scared or afraid of punches or kicks or whatever. An MMA fighter should be perplexed by the way you can move? Lol. Have you followed this thread at all? You clinch as a boxer vs an MMA fighter and you most certainly are ****ed cause he ain't letting go. Elbows, knees, takedown, you're done. You press the offence you open yourself hugely to a takedown. I like the way guys in this thread say "just get back up if you're taken down" Try this, lie flat on the floor, get someone to lie across your chest and tell them to punch you in the face as hard as they want as you try to stand up. It isn't ****ing easy. And I would love to know how you'd "tie him up" without getting hit and burning a lot of energy doing so. Yeah. He'll pick you up and drop you on your head... Maybe the kicks aren't but his knees, elbows and punches are. It's obvious a decent fighter is going to take you down seeing as you can only punch and you can't do that off the ground... You're going to do this from your back? MMA fighters are used to leg kicks. Kick him, he'll kick you back harder. Overall attacking would just make a takedown easier as you just give more oportunities for a takedown and leave yourself open. I know you can just "get back up" without any effort, but still.
It is simple mathematics and proven fact that the MMA guy is going to win 90% of the time. A boxer has two offensive weapons. An MMA fighter trains those too (although he isn't as highly skilled as a boxer) along with elbows, knees, kicks, thai clinches, wrestling clinches, and wrestling shots. That is two weapons vs over ten weapons. To get into range to attack, you have to get past the guys legs, he can kick your legs out from under you before you get that close. He can use his kicks to keep you at bay and then shoot the TD when you get into range to punch. I respect the hell out of boxing and think it is actually way underrated in MMA but to say a boxer has more than a puncher's chance against a MMA guy is ludicrous. FYI, a sprawl doesn't do much good if the guy shoots a single, turns the corner on a double, goes to a high crotch position,or body locks you so to say "learn to sprawl" is niave at best. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes but Paloa, the dude you were training with must not be a very good MMA fighter if you did really well against him with little to no BJJ experience. I've been doing it for nearly two years (bllue belt) and am completely confident that I would embarrass 100% of the people on the street with no grappling experience. I even take wrestlers that have been wrestling for 20+ years and have them tapping within minutes, either the dude was playing with you or he isn't that good on the ground. Also, good luck causing any significant damage to anybody from the bottom (fight ending damage that is). You may cause some cuts and bruises from your 12-6 elbows but you don't have the leverage behind your 12-6 elbows that the guy on top would have utilizing the same elbows. Oh, and nobody would willingly go into your guard, I would simply pass it to get you into side control so you would eat knees all day long (not saying I would beat you up personally, just saying in general, that would be my strategy). I suggest going to a real MMA gym and rolling with some top level guys. You will come out with a different level of respect. I've gotten tattood by a pro boxer and he was being very, very nice to me so I know and have respect for what you guys do but MMA is just a different beast. You need to truly try it before you assume things.
Another thing we are assuming is that this MMA fighter is bad ass I guess b/c almost ZERO MMA fighters have evolved their game enough to be complete Aces in every aspect of MMA. There are guys with great BJJ but sorry ass wrestling, like Maia. Great wrestling but sorry BJJ defense like Chael Sonnen. Phenomenal striking and BJJ but **** fair wrestling like Anderson Silva. There are only a few guys out there that can be a threat everywhere so that is something to think about when we are discussing this. One final thought for the boxers. Most guys in MMA that their base is wrestling do phenomenally better than someone with a straight striking background. Avoiding the TD while getting the KO without years of experience in wrestling is almost impossible. Wrestlers have some reatrded win ratio like 80 some percent. If you can't wrestle, you are not winning a fight. If someone can beat you with rules, imagine what they would do to you with no rules.
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I personally think it's easier to be taken down by boxing off the back foot. By coming forward, you make it easier for him to close distance, but not necessarily take you down. Also, he's more likely to go high than low if you do this. As a boxer, I'm going to prefer the takedown attempt to come at a higher level rather than a lower one, for obvious reasons. Not scared in the normal sense of the word. Scared as in 'I have to be careful that he doesn't land clean on me, because I'm dealing with a more precise, powerful striker than usual and I don't want to be knocked out.' Not 'I hope the big man doesn't hurt me.' A good boxer can take angles extremely well and extremely fast. This is important in MMA too, but the footwork in boxing, especially in close, is on another level. You can use this to your advantage by lunging in, then back out to one side and punching from that side. Is it always gonna work? No, but it doesn't always work in boxing either. But when it works, it works very very well. MMA fighters typically have different reactions to a guy rushing in swinging. They like to duck and cover with their hands high (They have a lot more things to worry about when being charged than a boxer does). A ton of KOs in MMA happen as a result of guys covering up and then getting hit from an angle when they look up to counter. I guess I'm basing my assumptions off the theory that most boxers aren't clueless and ******ed. I'm not talking about a hug here, I'm talking about an actual tie-his-arms-up-and-take-him-backward clinch. Hell, even the slightest amount of training in a martial art like judo can make you extremely effective in this. Boxers are usually quite good at it anyway. Yes he's going to be trying to trip you up and throw knees. Deal with it. It's also a good opportunity to break the clinch and go straight into punching him. Personally, I'd try to do something like the guy in the clip posted a few pages back did. Pin the arms and keep your head in his chest. Lock him into the guard if possible. Also, pressing the offense does indeed open you up to a takedown. But don't you think your chances of getting taken down are high anyway, even if you run? By pressing the offense, you open yourself up to takedowns a bit more, but you also open him up for punches SIGNIFICANTLY more, since you're dictating the terms of the exchange. Good. While he's doing that, he won't be taking me down. And I don't care how used to leg kicks you are--they still hurt if they aren't checked correctly. And while I'd be looking for him to kick me, he would most likely not expect it from me. Good way to set up a combination by getting him to counter the kick. In a standing exchange, the boxer is going to be at a huge advantage. Then what do you suggest, aside from just not fighting the guy in the first place? And I never said getting up was easy, but it's the goal. And maybe I just have a rose-tinted view of the world, but I like to think that most boxers and grown men in general have at least a bit of familiarity with wrestling/groundfighting. You know, in the sense that MMA fighters have at least a bit of familiarity with boxing. They won't in in a boxing match, but they can throw a basic punch correctly when they feel like it and they know the most basic of the basics. If I was to get in a fight, even though most of my training is in boxing, I'd still prefer to get the other guy on the ground--I can soccer kick him, punch him, or just the throw itself could be enough. If he's got more training than me and is stronger, then I'm pretty much ****ed unless I get up. But I'm not talking about fighting GSP or anything. I've wrestled/done some randori with wrestlers, and they're not some sort of unstoppable now-you-see-them-now-you're-on-your-back machines. There are levels in MMA, and I'm fairly confident that if I was to take on an MMA fighter who had the same amount of experience in MMA that I have in boxing, I'd be alright. It comes down to the old question--jack of all trades or master of one? A lot of it will depend on the person, their style, and how well they fight, not how much they know or what their discipline is. Also, are we talking about a fight here or a contest? Because I will guarantee you that there's no 'boxing' in a real fight. The aggressive fighter who takes the initiative is more often than not going to win. If I'm in a fight and I have time and space to circle around and play keepaway, then I shouldn't be in this fight should I?
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