Ever since Holy began this last saga for the heavyweight crown I've heard the same things all over again. First it was: "he should retire what's he doing back in the ring, he's gunna get hurt" Then after he beat Bates it was: "That guy was an insurance salesman, he couldn't handle any legitimate contender" After beating Oquendo it was things along the line of: "He allready had a great legacy, he just going to ruin it" Now with an good win over Maddalone and an extremely impressive win over Savarese last Saturday, I'm hearing now that: "Oh, all his opponents are handpicked" This really gets to me. First off, Evander Holyfield is Evander Holyfield and nothing we say or how much we ***** on our little boxing forums or blogs isn't going to change the course of what he does. It also seems to be the more he wins, and the more impressive he looks with each, there seems to be more and more nay sayers. Is it denial? I don't know, but I disagree that he is just trying to ''add to his legacy'' as some say. Boxing is in the blood man and it's hard to get out. I guess it never crossed these nay sayers mind that maybe, Evander enjoys what he is doing. Make no mistake it'd be an entirely different story, if he would be struggling against guys like Maddalone or Bates, but the catch is he's not. He's winning and winning impressivly. Sure the quality might not be the best in the world, but George Foreman wasn't exactly fighting top notcher's in the 3 and 4 fights of his comeback either. If anything, Holyfields win, albeit a boring one, over Oquendo should prove he's still got it. Let's face it, Oquendo was flat out robbed against Byrd and did very well against Ruiz and Tua. He's a very ligitimate contender and I don't care what anybody says, he can fight and make you look bad while you're fighting him. The bouts against Maddalone and Savarese also showed that Holyfields still got decent timeing, great punching power, combinations, and can take it while he's dishing it out. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying I'd like to see him thrown in there with the likes of Peter or Wlad, but a Maskaev fight would be interesting if it can happen. I'd say he had enough to outbox him to.
Bro, it's easy to look good against club fighters, and that's what Maddalone and Savarese are..club fighters. Maddalone is a glorified clubfighter because of his ESPN fights with Minto and Shannon Miller. Might I add that Minto completely beat up Maddalone and well..he's friggin Brian Minto. Savarese not only has a padded record for the most part, but most of his significant wins are against former champions who were wayyyyy past their prime. The only good win Evander has gotten has been Oquendo, I haven't seen the fight so I really don't know what to say. It's on youtube and from what I heard, it was a close boring decision win for Evander..not really interested in watching it. Evander can NOT fight any slicksters, he needs to keep fighting opponents who stay infront of him for the most part and he will get a title shot. I admire Evander for always being in amazing shape, especially during his comeback..but hell, he weighed 215 against Larry Donald a couple of years ago and still was easily outboxed. I hope the guy gets a title shot, but the only way he will is if he does fight handpicked opponents, whether ya like it or not.
Great post, Smokin Joe. I fully agree with everything you said. :good Well done. Let the naysayers say what they will, cause regardless, Evander will let it do what it do, baby.
Dude did you not read my post? all the counters to you're argument are there I just don't feel like retyping it lol. B
in the big scheme of things these holyfield wins mean **** all. except for the sanctioning bodies smelling the money that holyfield would bring. :roll: oquendo lost to ruiz. ruiz is now completely out of the picture. the russians are on top now. holyfield got his ears boxed off by larry donald. povetkin put him in his place.
IMO Holyfield's three losses were highly due to terrible matchmaking...Byrd, Toney, Donald are all extremely defensive fighters that are TERRIBLE for an old guy like Holyfield.
more so with byrd and donald. he should have done better against toney. admittedly toney turned up in shape and on form for that one though. :bbb
Against Donald, it was more that he looked absolutely shot than anything. He really looked like he had nothing left in the tank there. It's nice to see that he's rededicated himself, but (a) I can't possibly imagine that he could be doing this without the help of HGH, which isn't tested for in the states where Holyfield has been competing, and (b) he hasn't even faced anyone as good as Donald since that loss. He does look better each time out, but not better enough to make him look like more than a fringe contender. I have no doubt that he'll get a title shot because he has a big name, but I don't think he could even beat Ibragamov, who is an extraordinarily weak paper champion.
Maskaev would be the easiest route to a title belt for Holyfield, that if he gets past Peter (pretty big if). Some here have a short memory about Maskaev second fight against that bum Rahman, who was winning the fight quite easily until Maskaev KO'd him in the last round. Holyfield doesn't have a "Rahman" chin, unfortunelty for Maskaev. I see it being a very competitive fight with Holyfield dropping Maskaev and stopping him mid to late rounds. Don't forget Maskaev doesn't have the best chin in the world. Also, remind me of all the great fighters Maskaev has beat?? Oh, Rahman?? (very funny) If the current champs can live with a 1 or 2 million dollar pay day fight nobodys, then keep dodging Holyfield. If they want a 5 to 10 million dollar pay day or more, then sign the contract to fight Holyfield. Name one fighter out their that one of the current champions could sign a fight against and make more money than fighting Holyfield?
I give Oldyfield a chance against the Sultan-Chagev winner & Maskev, but he should stay far far away from Peter, Klitscho or any other big puncher
How Maskaev gets rated so highly is beyond my comprehension. Rahman beat him around the ring for 11 rounds until Maskaev caught him. Holyfield would still easily outwork and bully Maskaev around the ring. Chagaev and Ibragimov would be hotly contested battles. Peter and Wlad would most likely dominate Holyfield however. Although I give Holy a slight chance to outbox Peter, although he stands little to no chance against Wladimir.
I think he'd give Wladimir a little more trouble than most people think. I'm looking forward to see how he looks against Brewster. I'm not completely sold on WK. Holyfield will test his will, heart and chin. We know Holyfield has all three, let's see if Wlad does.