America needs a Shift in mentality to dominate the heavyweight scene once again

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  1. time

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    Do they even box in those countries? There are only a handful of countries in europe where boxing even registers on the radar
     
  2. The_President

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    The only thing America needs to change is their appetite for incarcerating African Americans. Many potential African American heavyweights are currently called by the name of;
    Inmate # xyz and on top of that, since Ronald Reagan privatized prisons, they've done away with prison boxing programs that in the past created champions like BHOP, Shavers, and many others.
     
  3. time

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    Just had a quick look at who is holding belts at the moment, looks like boxers born in euroland hold 18 titles with boxers from the US holding 7, not doing so hot on that front :yep plus kotelnik should have devons belts, blame biased american judges who wont score based on clean effective punching if its against their own guy
     
  4. Arran

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    you need the return of the iron curtain
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

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    And North America holds more titles then all of Europe if you wanna go by continents jackass. :rofl
     
  6. sammydavisjr

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    With Mayweather exposed as a coward and aside from Williams, Hopkins, Dirrell, Alexander, Bradley, Dawson, Pavlik, Cloud and Ward, American boxing is in dire straits.
     
  7. Vladimir23

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    I'm Ukrainian
     
  8. Vladimir23

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    There are more European world champions than American world champions. That's a FACT.

    Stop making up lies you ******ed troll.
     
  9. MichiganWarrior

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    There is around 20 European world champions, and around 30 North American world champions. There are about 200 million more Europeans then North Americans.

    Mexico and the USA have the most individual titlest by far of any country.

    4 of the top 10 p4p are Americans. Only 1 is European.


    They dont teach you how to count in Soviet Russia?

    "In Soviet Russia, the numbers count you!" sort of thing?
     
  10. Nosbor

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    Another thing many are missing is how many more American fighters are registered as professionals. Boxrec has the exact registration data.

    Look at middleweight for example. Russia has so few guys even fighting at that weight and two of them are rankied in the top ten. Contrast that with how many Americans are fighting as professional middleweights and the percentages of success are staggering.

    Yet all us Americans seem to do is make excuses and discredit the success' of others. For what it is worth, I love it when Eastern European fighters get an opportunity to fight as professionals and make good. When you consider how few of them actually participate, that makes their success' even more impressive.
     
  11. Vladimir23

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    I meant to say American, not North American.

    The p4p rankings are a joke.

    American media favors American boxers.

    Overrated feather fisted Bradley and Paul "The Punching Bag" Williams shouldn't be in the p4p list. Mayweather is the only American who deserves to be in the p4p list.

    Wlad should be #3 p4p, not #9.

    Fighters who should be in the top 10 p4p:

    Vitali Klitschko - Dominant WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world.

    Lucian Bute - IBF World Champ. Best Super Middleweight in the world.

    Tomasz Adamek - World Champion in 2 weight classes ([url]Light Heavyweight
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  12. Nosbor

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    Because they have the highest numbers of registered professionals participating, GENIUS...
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

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    The editor and chief of Ring Magazine is British, its an international panel.

    Name one European fighter not named the Klitsckos that has accomplished as much as Paul Williams. Name one fighter at 140 thats accomplished more then Timothy Bradley (who won his title in Europe) then him.

    Paul Williams has fought over 3 divisions. Beaten Quintana, Martinez, Margarito, Wright, Philips and Cintron. Thats 6 world champions.

    Lennox Lewis didnt even get that high and he's far superior to Wlad.

    Deserves to be on the list. But thats basically it.

    Best victory is Librado Andrade. Andre Ward has a better resume at Super Middleweight. And didnt need a bad referee to save from being KO'd either.

    Got dominated by Chad Dawson. Barely squeaked by USS Cunningham. If he wins a title at heavyweight then he should go down as a P4P fighter. But considering how easily he was dominated by Chad Dawson. Nope.

    Thats the best you can do btw?
     
  14. BoxingFanNo1

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    Fact is if the Ukraine with a population of 46 million and little boxing history can produce 2 great dominating heavyweights then the USA, population 307 million and a wealth of history in boxing, has little or no excuse.
     
  15. Vladimir23

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    Paul Williams is an overrated bum and a coward. He has a heavyweight frame (6'3 82" reach) and he's fighting midgets....that's cowardly and pathetic. If Williams moves up and fights someone his own size he will get brutally KTFO....GURANTEED....Kermit fukking Cintron schooled him, had him badly hurt and made him look like a bum. Cintron would've KO'd Williams for sure if that fight had continued.

    Top 5 at 140

    1. Khan
    2. Kotelnik
    3. Bradley
    4. Maidana
    5. Alexander

    Who has Bradley beat?

    Khan's win over Kotelnik is better than anything on Bradley's resume.

    Kotelnik's wins over Maidana, Alexander and prime Witter and all much better than anything on Bradley's resume. Kotelnik dominated Alexander and got robbed. He clearly beat prime Witter and got robbed. Alexander and Witter both got bull**** hometown gift decisions.


    Lucian Bute (26-0, 21 KOs) is the best super middleweight in the world. He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced and has made 5 successful title defences.

    Ward cheated, excessively clinched, excessively headbutted and should've been disqua been disqualified against Kessler.

    Ward had to excessively clinch his way to a boring decision against Miranda.

    Bute destroyed Miranda in 3.


    Adamek was totally weight drained for that fight. He was killing himself to make 175. That's why he moved up 25 lbs to cruiserweight and is now fighting at 215-220 lbs at [url]heavyweight
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    [/url]. Sick weight drained Adamek still managed to knockdown and badly hurt Dawson and win the last 3 rounds.

    Adamek has improved big time since that fight. He's faster, stronger, more mobile and much more comfortable at HW and [url]CW
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    Adamek destroys chinny Dawson at cruiserweight or heavyweight.

    Adamek clearly beat Cunningham and knocked him down 3 times.


    YOU FAIL AGAIN