For how long fans will remeber Mayweather ...

My experience of boxing, I think Floyd's reputation will move up in time, and Pacquiao's probably down.

It's hard to get a clear picture with fighters who are popular and unpopular with casual fans. As you remember with Tyson, most of the media and fans were trying to claim he was better than Ali in the 1980s? It was only when people calmed down, and a lot of his groupies dissapeared, and started looking at his fights and resume that they started seeing it more clearly.

Dominant teams and athletes always get flack. As people want to see them lose. The New York Yankess "buy success", the New England Patriots "cheat", Lebron James took the "easy way out" when he wins multiple titles with the Heat. You know....

Here's where I stand on both fighters. And why I think what I do.

Pacquiao

1: Lost at lot at most of the small weights, and never avenged.

2: Hard to argue that he was the best fighter at Featherweight or Super featherweight

3: Hard to argue that he was ever better than Marquez at either of those weights.

4: His big name fights at those weights, at least 50% of them were basically against fading names, who quite a lot of people were beating. Of the times he actually fought against real legit versions of them, he struggled.

5: Hatton, Oscar, Cotto, Clottey is nothing more than what Floyd's done at 135 and above.

6: I don't think you can argue he's ever dominated a division.



Mayweather:

1: Beat the linear champ at 130, 135, 147 and owned all 3 divisions. At 147 he's beaten the linear champ twice in fact.

2: In Hernandez, Coralles, Castillo, Judah, Oscar, Hatton, Marquez and Mosely he in truth has a pretty similar sort of resume as Pacquiao, in regards to the types of people he's beaten while moving up weights.

3: Whether you like him or not, he's just been the dominant fighter of this era. In and out of the ring. Manny is maybe the more liked, and possibly more respected, but I wouldn't call his last decade dominant at all. Quite a few people have been his match.

 

Lot of pretty strange comments.

Manny was pretty ordinary at Super Bantam to Super Feather. I'm not saying he was nothing but a great fighter, but who in their right mind thought he was better than marquez while he was there? Not me.

Juan Marquez not only bettered Manny in the ring, but he bettered his performances against Barrera when they both fought him.

Manny was 146 pounds in ring versus Marquez and 148 pounds in ring versus Oscar and Cotto.

He has put on 2 pounds in weight. And he's carried the power up 4 weight divisions? He couldn't knock out Barrera and Marquez, but he's knocked out almost everyone he's fought at 140 and below, without putting on any weight?

To put it bluntly, I know a lot about boxing training, and doing what Pacquiao's done is just impossible.

Carrying up power without putting on weight, is what HGH is basically designed to do.

Add in the fact that he has BALCO guys training him, and ducks drug tests, and go figure I think he's probably getting chemical help

Pacquiao aint the same fighter under Ariza than he was before? He throws twice as many shots. Manny used to gas throwing 600..............

 

"Yes, Manny Pacquiao struggled with JMM and struggled with Morales the first time out, but tell me any fighter Floyd ever fought who was on that level in the midst of their prime."


Morales was coming directly off a loss when he beat Pacquiao. He had no world title belts. Nobody considered Morales prime back then. He was a name on the slide.

He was Shane Mosely basically. And that's being kind, as he wasn't even that.

Including the Pacquiao bouts, Morales lost 6 out of 7 fights, against 3 different opponents during that period in his career.

And two of the losses were before Manny beat him.

 

Why? Because Robinson had proven he was effective fighting middleweights before, when he won over LaMotta himself before LaMotta won that one fight you foolishly hinged your whole argument on.

Marquez had never fought beyond 135 at all before Floyd, had he? atsch

Are you really just dense, or were you blindly hoping people here are as equally moronic as you? atsch:huh

 

who are these lineal champs?

 

talk about raining on their parade.......lol...keep it commin.....i told people Pac and Floyd are not that far apart in terms of legacy!

 

Yeah Mr. Wonderful is doing a "wonderful" job telling it as it is. What has hurt Floyd has been his personality and taking 2 years off from the sport at the end of the decade. But I still feel people even while not letting on know hes the better fighter.

 

What 6 lineal champs at 147 or above? :huh
Marquez and Hatton fighting beyond weight classes they were lineal champs at? Judah who was clobbered by another lucky-ass guy in Baldomir who, of course, became the next "lineal"? :rofl

Dela Hoya?

There is nothing to support a bottomline for Floyd. If not for the Mosley win, Pacquiao's welterweight resume in less than 2 years may have already trumped Floyd's which was accumulated in five ****ing years. Five years, imagine that. How was he able to do such tomfoolery? Hauser hit it right, but his enablers are more than his immediate posse. They include people on boxing boards. :huh

 

i will always remember him as the greatest boxer i have ever had the privelege of watching in a ring

 

Even assuming the figure is true, which is rather a tall tale considering Floyd had to fight out of retirement to settle debts, why would someone seem so proud of a boxer's finances?

I don't really get this bragging of a fighter's earnings and wealth by his fans. atsch
Is it supposed to make the insults and ridicule all go away? How? Because the fighter has all this money, but not a single cent of which goes to these fans?

 

Same as pernell, casual fans will look Floyd up on youtube and think he is boring whilst the purists will appreciate his undeniable abilities.

For him to be remembered as great he would need to have been in GREAT FIGHTS, he simply has not done that.

 

It depends a lot on if he fights Pacquiao.

If they dont fight each other then neither will be remembered among the best ever & rightly so but if they do fight then Mayweather will be remembered as the best fighter of his generation & one of the best ever & Pacquiao will still be remembered for stepping up & taking 2nd place the man`s way & he too will be mentioned with the ATGs.

 

Floyd will be seen as one of the best in his era and one of the most talented boxers to ever grace the ring. he'll also have a lot of negative views on his overall career but he's absolutely ONE of the best.

 

:verysadRight after Pac beat him, he will commit suicide due to self pity and the boxing fans forget him as well.

 

:rofl:rofl Sorry kid......I know you hate Manny and all but when it's all said and DONE! PAC is gonna be held in A LOT higher regard when both are retired and in the Hall. Floyd's gonna have a very good legacy.....but PAC's legacy is ALREADY GREAT. I'm not sure how you think PAC's Legacy will somehow go down while Floyd's UP when it's all about their resumes and how they'll be remembered in the history books.