I was under the impression we already had a thread like this, but I don't think the one currently "stickied" qualifies. Self explanatory. Let's re-score and discuss some of the more controversial fights of all time. Close-fights. Supposed robberies. I'm talking about the likes of Barrera/Morales I, Whitaker/Rivera I, Ali/Shavers, the list goes on and on. Maybe some myths will be busted, maybe a consensus will be reached. We can only hope! I'm going to start us off. It's a nice evening, and I've just gone and re-scored Muhammad Ali vs Ernie Shavers. There seems to be a divide. Some people view this as a legitimately close fight that could have been awarded to either combatant, whereas others have called it an outright robbery. A bull**** decision. Ernie has later said himself that he probably didn't do enough in the Muhammad Ali documentary Facing Ali. Here's how I scored the fight, round by round. Round 1: Ali 10-9 Round 2: Shavers 10-9 Round 3: Ali 10-9 Round 4: Shavers 10-9 Round 5: Ali 10-9 Round 6: Shavers 10-9 Round 7: Shavers 10-9 Round 8: Shavers 10-9 Round 9: Shavers 10-9 Round 10: Ali 10-9 Round 11: Ali 10-9 Round 12: Ali 10-9 Round 13: Shavers 10-9 Round 14: Shavers 10-9 Round 15: Ali 10-9 8-7 Shavers Verdict: Close fight. Could have gone either way.
We differed on round 3 and round 9, I think, giving me an 9-6 Ali victory. I agree it was close, but I do believe the bout was tactically controlled by Ali. He won the battle of minds, and in the end, was on his way to a knockout. Great thread. Read my analysis in the scorecard thread and tell me what you think.
Let this thread be the vehicle that dispatches the myth that Zarate-Pintor was a terrible crime. It wasn't. Yes, I had Zarate winning, but only by a couple points. Many of these rounds were tight too, meaning depending on how you looked at it and your personal preferences in fighting style you could very well have had it a point or so either way. Most here know the score, having seen the fight themselves, but in no way was that thing a robbery. I thought the wrong guy got it, but it was quite close.
I hope we can get some scorecards on the go. I'll definitely be up for scoring this fight over the weekend. :good
Morales v Barrera II 1. 10-9 Morales 2. 10-9 Morales 3. 10-10 Even 4. 10-9 Morales 5. 10-9 Morales 6. 10-9 Barrera 7. 10-9 Morales (should have been 10-8 as dickhead Jay Nady ruled a slip after a perfectly good body shot by EM floored MAB) 8. 10-9 Morales 9. 10-9 Barrera 10. 10-9 Morales 11. 10-9 Morales 12. 10-9 Barrera 117-112 Morales (Verdict - poor decision)
I had Morales-Barrera 2 a draw. It was a close fight that could have gone either way, as were the other 2 fights. Also had Pintor-Zarate a draw.
In the Barrera-Morales trilogy, my cards reflected the response of the media (for a change!), Fight 1- Barrera Fight 2- Morales Fight 3- Barrera
Antuofermo vs Hagler 1 was a robbery Whitaker vs Ramirez 1 and Chavez were both robberies Alexander vs Kotelnik was a robbery Morel vs Penalosa was a robbery I scored the MAB vs EM trilogy as follows: 1: Barrera 2: Draw 3: Barrera All extremely close fights
Okay............as promised, I just watched Pintor-Zarate again and scored it. Here's what I had......... Round 1...10-10 Round 2...Pintor, 10-9 Round 3...Zarate, 10-9 Round 4...Zarate, 10-8 (in the middle rounds, Zarate came up with an unusual and inventive combination of straight right lead followed with a hard jab....this is the combo that floored Pintor). Round 5...Zarate, 10-9 Round 6...Pintor, 10-9 Round 7...Zarate, 10-9 Round 8...Pintor, 10-9 Round 9...Pintor, 10-9 Round 10...Pintor, 10-9 Round 11...Zarate, 10-9 Round 12...Zarate, 10-9 Round 13...Zarate, 10-9 Round 14...Pintor, 10-9 Round 15...Pintor, 10-9 Final score......Zarate 143, Pintor 142. Razor-thin decision. This fight was a treat to watch. Both these guys are thought of in a general sense as being aggressive, strong bangers with good power, but this fight was so rife with boxing skill and intelligence it was disgusting. Must watching for a boxing noob; THIS is how you do this stuff. Beautiful display by both men.
it was as bad of a fight as you'll see....but... poor old evander holyfield....after all he did through his career, all those battles and titles won....they robbed him of another great achievement - the oldest heavyweight world champion...cement his place {even more} in boxing folklore it would have... sad i thought.