I know that it's allowed alot in the pros but what about amateur? I've never tried doing either before so I wouldn't know.
Yeah I've always wondered it too. But watching this video made me really think about it. This looks like a very effective technique but it also looks like it could be illegal as well. The video says that it's "borderline legal" but I assume they're talking about the pros. http://learnhowtobox.com/blog/?p=9
If you clinch excessivly you get a warning. If you get multiple warnings you will get disqualified. I've seen this happen many times, though some refs may be less strict.
http://usaboxing.org/member-services/rulebook p. 57 types of fouls: vi. lying on, wrestling, and throwing in the clinch viii. holding ix. holding and hitting or pulling and hitting x. holding or locking of the opponents arm or head, or pushing an arm underneath the arm of an opponent.
Pushing will get you a caution. If you clinch properly and not in excess, you'll probably get away with it. My philosophy is do what you can get away with if it's working. If you get a caution, then you know what the ref is calling, and don't do it again. But if he doesn't call it and it's working, go ahead.
^^^ This. My trainer is teaching me a bit of dirty boxing, such as clinch and spin your opponent then punch
pushing and clinching are illegal but only in their extremity. otherwise you'll get a warning. if you get carried away, then you are in trouble. ultimately you must work on disguising what you do.
i've watched the video and that is an extreme move. you'd only put your hand on their head to turn them if they get low and you can guide them while they are blind. otherwise just put your hand behind their elbow and turn them if their elbows are at home. alternatively, when they punch don't parry but guide the hand away as you step and pivot out. just use their momentum against them. it's called turning your opponent and many fighters do it with much cuter, slicker moves than the one showed in the video. imagine if you try to turn your opponent like that, time it wrong and you are eating a huge left hook to your badly exposed ribs. as soon as you open up in anyway, it is a risk so boxing from start to finish is a risk vs reward situation but you got to be smart with what you do. that extreme turning is no different than a fighter loading up and overshooting - it's possible to do, perhaps will work but an unnecessary risk when all factors are considered.
We do a lot of holding, pushing, holding & hitting, and all that other good sh*t at my gym. then before bouts the trainer just reminds us not to do anything to get disqualified and don't do anything after the ref says not to.
I tend to push a lot with my body. I'll get in close, put my shoulder on the guy, and then try to walk him into a corner by throwing short punches (switching which shoulder I push with). It may or may not be legal, but I guess I'll find out when I use it in a fight lol (it's a recent development in my boxing). I have literally never clinched on purpose. I think it's too dangerous unless you really know what you're doing. When people try to clinch me, I usually end up hurting them. You figure, if he's got to clinch you you're probably doing something right already--if he's that much better than you he won't have to clinch. I notice guys who are well above my level almost never clinch because they're too busy moving and not getting hurt.