Where do you guys rate the Klits?

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Why is unifying the titles important? He has already beat the true WBA Champ... he beat the last two guys to hold the WBC before his brother... he won the IBF, WBO and is the Ring Magazine Champion. He has consistently dominated top ten heavyweights for the last 6 years. Tell me how Haye's WBA title means anything? Chagaev beat Valuev for the title... Wlad beats Chagaev... They give the title back to Valuev and Haye "wins" it from him. How does that mean anything? Chagaev was the true WBA Champ when Wlad knocked him out.

    Unifying those paper titles mean nothing.
     
  2. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    THey have certianly did some *house cleaning* in the division not seen since Lewis limped off into retirement.
     
  3. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WALDO around number 15, VITLAY somewhere around 25.
     
  4. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Lewis never even came close to cleaning out the division. Honestly... he has one of the most overrated "Title reigns" that I have ever seen.

    Lewis wasn't considered "Champ" until he beat Holyfield. So... here is Lewis' amazing title reign....

    Michael Grant - We all know what he is.

    Frans Botha - Fresh off being knocked out by Mike Tyson.

    David Tua - Very good win (although he was hammered by the public the same way that Wlad was against Ibragimov for this fight. I think he did what he had to do, and it was a big win for him.

    Hasim Rahman - Knocked Lewis out.

    Hasim Rahman - Lewis wins back his titles.

    Mike Tyson - A completely worthless win, against a horribly washed

    Vitali Klitschko - We all know the story here... and Lewis was actually supposed to fight Kirk Johnson.

    Then Lewis retires 8 months later after the WBC forces him to fight Vitali or be stripped of his title. In that 8 months... Lewis was trying to sue Mike Tyson back into the ring and fight Roy Jones Jr.


    Seriously... why on earth do people think this is some kind of amazing title reign? 6-1 with only 2 good solid wins against a dangerous opponent. Vitali would be a big win had he not been losing and won only on a cut. Then retired rather than giving fans a rematch. I gave him a big win against Rahman too... which is really only a big win because Rahman knocked him out in the fight before.
     
  5. Kevin

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    Sugar never had Lewis in his top 50. End of story.
     
  6. Kevin

    Kevin Active Member Full Member

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    And you talk of bollocks. You mean the same Young that beat Foreman and arguably beat Ali has no chance at either Klit? What do they have a breeding program here?

    And then this gem.

    Says it all. They both fought in 8 division eras and were both light-heavyweights. The suggestion that Charles and Tunney would not do well post the 1960's is ridiculous.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    That's not unfair...surprisingly.
     
  8. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    I think he is off his medications, finally.
     
  9. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sugar is a cool old fart lost in the past.....:deal:bbb

    MR.BILL:hat
     
  10. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    best of this era an top 40.oppistions is to wack for me to rate them higher my bad, im just saying.
     
  11. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So if you can't compare them in the time machine, does mean your left comparing them against the competition in their era?

    So you have to rate them about 70 based on the current HW division?
     
  12. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    still higher than tyson ;)
     
  13. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Mr bill shut up about the klits beating up on young.
    those two robots haven't bear a single opponent compareable to the likes of Ron Lyle, George foreman, norton, or shavers. IMO vitali would get outboxed and wlad would win a close desicion after having some real trouble.
     
  14. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes they are highly criticized but these guys are racking up wins and just like Joe Calzage even though its been against mediocre opposition it has to mean they are at least pretty good.
     
  15. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Unfortunately they will neither get the chance to prove greatness against
    another great which isn't there fault, but i can't remember the last time we had such a dominant force in the heavyweight division. Tyson was the last and he had a bunch of b- at best comp in his era just like the klits do.
    Tyson is considered a great and so are the klits. each brother easily makes the top 10 of ATG heavies H2H.