Strikeforce vs. Bellator superfights

Nice, co-promotion is what MMA needs.

 

Seems like M1 is the easiest to work with, Strikeforce took a hear to set up 1 fight with Dream and a long time for that much awaited second fight. This Bellator thing is dragging on as well. However unlike M1 and Dream, this Bellator seems to have been played out in the media and from the sounds of things Scott isnt a happy chappy.

This copromotion is a good thing though so I congratulate all those involved.

 

Start with Alvarez vs Melendez!

Through Melendez, Coker is doing an excellent job of showing how successful cross promotions can be. Melendez is the SF champ, has beaten the Dream champ and could now face the Bellator champ!

Let's see it!

 

Lombard vs Jacaré, please!

 

I hope they work out something for these fights to take place.

 

It will happen!

 

Great things happen in cooperation healthy business. Co promotions are good thing for fans, fighters, sport and promotions involved.

 

I agree

 

SF has already shown itself to be amenable to crossover with the DREAM co-promotions.

This will be a landmark cooperation between domestic rival promotions, though. :good

 

"Many MMA pundits openly lobbying for the organizations to work together..." Who? A couple morons at Sherdog?

Why do people think co-promotion is a good deal? Have those people not followed boxing for the last ten years and seen the sh*t that goes on in that sport? How many weight classes have four different champions because none of them want to fight each other? You can look at Pacquiao's three fights - Cotto, Clottey, and now Margarito - and can see that even Bob Arum has given up on co-promotion (and said on the Mayweather-Pacquiao phone call that he refused Pacquiao fighting Berto because Berto's promoter was doing a poor job promoting Berto since no one knows who he is). I'm still waiting on my Mayweather-Pacquiao fight? Where the f*ck is it? It hasn't happened because two promoters are incapable of working with one another (and one even just sued the other). I'd be more forgiving if there was an Arum promotion and Golden Boy promotion where the Arum fighters and Golden Boy fighters all fought one another inside their camps and there was a championship internalized because then you can get a real champion that's honest about what they are and you can get legitimate challengers that work their way up the card by winning instead of getting gift rankings from bribing the boxing orgs. There's no rhyme or reason to who gets title shots and who doesn't because the fighters jump around from one boxing org to another to suit their purposes. This is one thing where MMA is clearly superior to boxing on. If I watch a Strikeforce heavyweight win a match, I know his goal eventually if he stays in the promotion is to fight (currently) Alistair Overeem for the Strikeforce title. If a boxing heavyweight wins a fight in a "co-promoted" match, you have no clue what's going to happen to him if he goes on continuing to win matches.

It's not like this is going to be some superfight like Fedor where they can draw mass casual interest. Melendez fought Aoki on CBS in a co-main when Aoki had a claim for top lightweight in the world the week after B.J. Penn lost to Frankie Edgar. The ratings showed no one gave a sh*t. Alvarez-Melendez is a fight for hardcores but few people outside the hardcores would give a rat's ass. So Strikeforce is risking their champion losing to another domestic champion for zero financial upside. If Alvarez wants to fight Melendez and then defend the Strikeforce title on Strikeforce shows (and vice versa with Melendez in Bellator), than by all means do it. But that's not what is going to happen. You're going to have a guy with a loss continuing as champion just as Aoki has done in Dream and it makes the Dream champion look weak. (It works there because the U.S. is a different world than Japan so Aoki can continue as champ, and if Melendez loses to Aoki in December, well it's Japan and no one outside of message board posters pay attention to fights going on over there.)

 

^ are you a stakeholder in Strikeforce corporate shares or something? Who cares about all that and their paper title.

You can't just put your head in the sand and pretend that fighters don't exist outside of your promotion, this isn't pro-wrestling and the fights need to happen. You would think that MMA fans would be pushing for this, instead im reading these business experts all over MMA sites saying how it wouldn't be good for the sport.

Co-promotion is what boxing has over MMA. In boxing, even with all the BS, any fight can potentially happen. Mayweather-Pac not happening has nothing to do with co-promotions.

Showtime needs to put their foot down and demand Alvarez vs Melendez. They need to run things like they do their boxing business, there is no reason to only support the Strikforce brand and if we have learned anything over the past 5 years it's that only the UFC brand will sell. So instead of promoting their cheesy strikeforce titles they should just promote fights. Besides, where else will Coker go? Showtime is just too lazy to deal with more then one promoter for MMA.

 

You mean like in boxing where the fights don't happen either and the promotion is open?

Well if that's the case Bellator and Strikeforce are f*cked anyway. If Showtime wants the fight to really happen, they'd tell Strikeforce to sign Alvarez to fight on Showtime all the time. Bellator right now is paying him six figures a fight and viewership of their cards on Fox Sports Net and the fact Alvarez couldn't sell out his hometown arena in Philadelphia against Roger Huerta shows he's not worth that.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/2/1789110/strikeforce-vs-bellator-does-anybody-win

There's not going to be a joint promotion between Strikeforce and Bellator for the same reason Arum won't let Pacquiao fight Berto, he doesn't fight for Arum and Arum's not going to risk Pacquiao losing to him. At least in MMA they're honest about it. In boxing you guys have the delusion that promoters will go out of their way and put the fans first to give them great fights. The Mayweather-Pacquiao bullsh*t should have killed that illusion but I guess a few blind people continue to believe it.

 

Pac is a PPV star and Top Rank can run their own shows outside of HBO/Showtime if they want too (besides it's not like Berto has earned anything to demand that fight).

Strikeforce has none of those things, they are nothing without Showtime. All Showtime needs to do is tell Coker, either give us this fight or find a different network.

I don't know why you copied all that blogger crap (I won't read anything from Rossen out of principle). Bottom line, if showtime wants this fight they could have it, there should be no loyalty to Strikeforce and their brand.

As a mma fan, why are you against this fight?

Pac-Mayweather not happening has nothing to do with Golden Boy & Top Rank, it's a battle of egos not promotional interests.

 

Co-promotion in boxing and MMA = fights between fighters from different promotion can POTENTIALLY happen.

Without co-promotion UFC style = fights between fighters from different promotion WILL NEVER happen.





Its also ignorant to think that the UFC can ever have a global coverage, there will always be regional promotions who are the king of their region.