fedor is the goat but is he the current # 1 ?

GSP has already lost twice, Shogun 4 times...both fighters havent had as many fights. GSP has only really fought American fighters, and has not had to face different styles that might be more common internationally. For example, GSP has NEVER fought against anyone with top of the line K1 level kickboxing.

To be the best GSP must fight the best from around the world and not be content at fighting the best from America only, even though those guys are more popular and has more hype.

Take for example Anderson Silva who is undefeated in the UFC fighting again mostly Americans, however look at when he fought in Pride or against Japanese fighters. Stylistically, he had a very difficult time with the Japanese fighters.

 

Yo monarocuntry are you gonna post your HW top 10 or not?

 

1. Werdum
2. Fedor
3. Velasquez
4. Overeem
5. Lesnar
6. Carwin
7. Mir
8. JDS
9. Barnett
10. Silva

My 8-10 is a toss up for me.

 

What?

 

put it this way i would bet on fedor against anyone

 

good list

 

What 170 fighters pose any threat to GSP outside of the UFC?

 

When Serra beat GSP did you have Serra as the best WW in the world?

 

People have some dumb ideas of how to rank.
There like if Fighter A beats FIghter B whom beat Fighter C...He is ranked higher.
**** really doesn't work that easy. That does hold some argument of course, but I think there's more meaningful things to judge upon.
Competition
Wins
How many fights
How many losses (and who/ how they lost)
Age

These should all be factored in. Judging by overall greatness, and a fighter that still has to be active I think it's Fedor hands down. Guy has been dominant for over a decade. He only has loss, and it wasn't like he wasn't dominated...Like say Lesnar . Guy was stupid, and just got caught with a SUB (not a punch...a freakin sub!)
Cain, and JDS look like awesome fighters, but put there record, competition, etc next to Fedor, and it's nothing. Not to say they couldn't beat Fedor (though I have doubts they could even at this stage), but still doesn't change the mans accomplishments.
Overeem would definitely rank up with him as well because of the same reasons Fedor is great.
It's not all about Fedor lost to Werdum...Who lost to such and such fighters. We know styles make fights. Honestly the only person to ever go against that saying I could think of would have to be Fedor (he's fought about every MMA style fighter you could think of). Even greats like Couture, and Liddell have quite a few losses...Everybody in MMA lose.
Just because Werdum caught Fedor in a nice sub doesn't even make him better than Fedor. He was better that night, but I bet in the rematch Fedor demolishes him. Besides, even if Fedor had more losses in the future...Nobody takes away that Ali was probably the HW GOAT of boxing...Yet he stayed around way to long, got gift decisions, and pummeled. At a certain point losses aren't as big of deal.
I'm amazed how a man could be so extremely dominant, beat so many HW champs from other orgizations, fight guys from many different countries/ styles, people twice as big as him, be undefeated for so long on top of it, and YET loses one fight goes way back in rankings on a lot of peoples lists.

 

Did you just not read the thread title at all? It says fedor IS THE GOAT its just a question of him being number 1 in current rankings not all time rankings. I don't think in current rankings its justifiable to put someone who just lost in the number one spot. That spot either goes to werdum or cain. If Fedor avenges his loss, he gets the number one spot right back though.

 

When you beat The Man, you become The Man.

 

that's because top-of-the-line K1-level kickboxers fight in K1.

 

Dream's welterweight champion is Marius Zaromskis (13-5), a guy that got knocked out cold by Nick Diaz in Miami earlier this year for the Strikeforce welterweight title, and then lost to Cyborg's husband in Los Angeles in June.

I don't think Nick Diaz (23-7) has much of a shot at GSP.

The two guys that will be fighting for the Sengoku welterweight title in the near future are Keita Nakamura (20-4-2), who fought in the UFC for a bit and went 0-3 there against the likes of Rob Emerson, and Yasubey Enomoto (6-1).

The Bellator champion is a guy named Ben Askren (7-0).

So to agree with Beebs here, who out there does the person thinks outside of UFC poses any threat to GSP? The best two welters outside UFC are pretty much Diaz and Paul Daley (Daley got dominated by Koscheck for the right to face GSP, and Koscheck is GSP's next title defense). There's some weight divisions where you can make a case that UFC is not the clear #1. Welterweight is not one of them.

 

I agree with your whole post.

Also add that Fedor should remain at number 1 (or at least 2) since no one else comes close to the number of top tens in recent times.

 

4 fights in the last 3 years is active?

So the great Fedor duplicated MMA neophyte Brock Lesnar's original loss to Frank Mir?

Which has nothing to deal with here and now. That's like saying Evander Holyfield is a better fighter than David Haye and if they fought next weekend Holyfield would win. No he wouldn't. Holyfield had a better career than Haye has but I don't care about career accomplishments when talking about which of the two is more likely to win next weekend. I want to know "these guys fight next weekend, who's the most likely to win?" Whatever my answer is is who I rank the higher fighter.

Overeem is a good fighter, but he's been more hyped up than Brock Lesnar. What is the best of Overeem's wins of the following? He moved up to heavyweight full-time starting in June 2007 after 3 consecutive losses at light heavyweight to Shogun Rua, Ricardo Arona, and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Lil Nog).

-def. Michael Knaap (Jun. 2007)
-lost Sergei Kharitonov (Sept. 2007)
-def. Paul Buentello (Nov. 2007)
-def. Lee Tae-Hyun (Jun. 2008 )
-def. Mark Hunt (Jul. 2008 )
-no contest Mirko Cro Cop (Sept. 2008, Overeem kneed Cro Cop in the groin)
-def. Gary Goodridge (Nov. 2008 )
-def. Tony Sylvester (Oct. 2009)
-def. James Thompson (Oct. 2009)
-def. Kazuyuki Fujita (Dec. 2009)
-def. Brett Rogers (May 2010)

The best win on there is...Mark Hunt? Brett Rogers?

If Overeem is truly one of the awesome fighters of all-time like Fedor as you say, than Kharitonov must be one of the best mixed martial artists of all-time and Strikeforce should schedule an Overeem-Kharitonov title match because Kharitonov is a spectactular fighter to beat Overeem (and Kharitonov was signed by Strikeforce, yet to fight for them).