Mexican fighters...

For what it's worth, he was not born and raised in Mexico. Also he lost any the respect of most Mexican fans after the Trinidad fight. He did not get a free pass by any means.

 

as one top rank commentator said during the fight, there is only a thin line that separates bravery and stupidity, something like that. i do think that "warriors" knows the difference when he is about to cross the line..

 

If I'm not mistaken Margarito hit Pacquiao more than anyone since Marquez II. I'll have to check Compubox stats to verify that.

 

I know some guys from Puebla, these guys take pride in what they cook. You couldnt argue with these ****ers, they had the best mole, chicken every ****in thing. They had pride

 

I don't think it's a Mexican thing, it's just a boxer thing. Many fighters, of all ethnicities and nationalities, have insisted on staying in the ring when the smarter/safer choice would've been to stop. You guys have also given good examples of Mexican fighters who did choose to bow out and protect themselves.

The Mexican "warrior" mystique has just been continually hyped by promoters, commentators, etc so much, it's become ingrained. It's a stereotype that feeds off itself. There's something to be said for Mexican pride, considering the way their history overlaps ours, and especially in this era where the U.S. is trying to cleanse itself of Hispanics, but the "warrior" thing, in the context of boxing, is sort of an old-fashioned racist device IMO. It's modern day exoticism.

 

Me being a mexican, this warrior stuff bothers me. Oscar was one of the best Mexican American fighters ever, better than most mexican fighters from mexico. That warrior stuff is a little overblown. I do not buy the mexican stuff and warrior. Warrior is about who you are as an individual not because you were born in a country south of California and north of Guatemala. Gatti was not mexican but had a huge heart. Cuevas only lasted 2 rounds with Thomas Hearns and barely got up. Chavez was demolished by Tsyzu and pretty much quit. Even when Oscar was beating up Chavez, Chavez was cut and wanted to quit. It is all bs. To say all mexicans are warriors is as dumb as saying all of us like refried beans. I like pizza mostly. It is an insult on us because is stereotypes us asfools who will stay and take a beating. Stupid.

 

this.

 

Mexicanos, al grito de guerra
El acero aprestad y el bridón;
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Ciña oh patria!
tus sienes
de oliva
De la Paz el arcángel divino,
Que en el cielo tu eterno destino
Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.
Más si osare un extraño enemigo
Profanar con su planta tu suelo,
Piensa, oh patria querida ,que el cielo
Un soldado en cada hijo te dio.​

Guerra, guerra sin tregua al que intente
De la patria manchar los blasones! Guerra, guerra! Los patrios pendones
En las olas de sangre empapad.
Guerra, guerra! En el monte, en el valle
Los cañones horrísonos truenen
Y los ecos sonoros resuenen
Con las voces de
Unión!
Libertad!
Antes, patria, que inermes tus hijos Bajo el yugo su cuello dobleguen,
Tus campiñas con sangre se rieguen,
Sobre sangre se estampe su pie.
Y tus templos, palacios y torres
Se derrumben con hórrido estruendo,
Y sus ruinas existan diciendo:
De mil héroes
la patria aquí fue.
Coro

Patria! patria!
Tus hijos te juran
Exhalar en tus aras su aliento,
Si el clarín con su bélico acento
Los convoca a lidiar con valor.

Para ti las guirnaldas de oliva!

Un recuerdo para ellos de gloria!

Un laurel para ti de victoria!

Un sepulcro para ellos de honor!

Mexicanos, al grito de guerra
El acero aprestad y el bridón;
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.​

English translation:​

Mexicans, at the cry of war,
prepare the steel and the steed,
and may the earth shake at its core
to the resounding roar of the cannon. Gird, oh country, your brow with olive
the divine archangel of peace,
for your eternal destiny was written
in the heavens by the hand of God.
But if some strange enemy should dare
to profane your ground with his step,
think, oh beloved country, that heaven
has given you a soldier in every son.
War, war without truce to any who dare
to tarnish the country's coat-of-arms! War, war! Take the national pennants
and soak them in waves of blood.

War, war! In the mountain, in the valley,
the cannons thunder in horrid unison

and the resonant echoes
cry out Union,
Liberty!
Oh country, 'ere your children

defenseless bend their neck to the yoke,

May your fields be watered with blood,
may they trod upon blood.

And may your temples, palaces and towers
collapse with horrid clamor,
and their ruins live on to say:
This land belonged to a thousand heroes.
Oh, country, country, your children swear
to breathe their last in your honor,
if the trumpet with warlike accent
should call them to fight with courage.

For you the olive branches!

A reminder for them of glory!

A laurel of victory for you!

For them a tomb with honor!

Mexicans, at the cry of war,
prepare the steel and the steed,
and may the earth shake at its core
to the resounding roar of the cannon.


Its not stupid. Its the way we were raised. I remember we had to sing this anthem every morning at school. We would line up and salute the flag outside the school yard.

You know you really lose something when you have been living here as long as i have. You forget some of the principles you were raised with over there.

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Margarito i think after round 10 just wanted to survive and as proud as he is I know Robert wouldnt stop it because of that.

And no heart or being a warrior is not only for Mexicans. That would be stupid to say. It is just very engrained into our culture.

 

So, once your past your prime, it's okay if that 'warrior' quits? :huh

 

You sound like you need to find yourself a new sport. If anything nowadays are stopped too soon. Some are fair stoppages like Mosley-Margarito. That was a battered fighter I was screaming at the tv to stop it. But its like i have been saying Margarito was fine. He wasnt taking concussive damage. They kept checking him and he was seeing just fine.