Lennox Lewis v Muhammad Ali

Unlike Clay, Lewis didn't have the help of a trainer to save him from a knockout vs McCall. And unlike Ali, Lewis, even when he was old, didn't get knocked senseless twice in the same round by old retired sparring-partner (that means BIG padded gloves) who started his career as a middleweight.

 

I agree with you a 40 year old Lewis beats a 40 year old Ali.

Senya I think where both right. This whole time I thought you were foolish to say

a Prime Lewis could beat a Prime Ali but you were saying old Lewis beats Old Ali

I have to agree with you on that

Prime versus Prime Lewis doesn't have a chance. Ali never lost in his prime and

Lewis lost twice in his prime. Even if the Cooper round had 2 minutes left in it

Ali would of found a way to win Dundee is just trying to

make himself out to be more important then he is.

 

Senya name another top 10 heavyweight that got knocked out by two bums

Don't spin it now I want fighters names not explainations and excuses

 

Briggs had Lewis in bad trouble . Briggs couldn't hurt the fat and slow

version of Foreman but in minutes he hurts Lewis. The same Foreman who Ali

knocked out had no trouble taking punches from Briggs. I laugh everytime I

watch that bum Briggs give Lewis all he could handle

 

Name me another top 10 heavyweight that was stopped by old retired former middleweight, wearing sparring gloves.

 

You lost the prime versus prime argument so you have to change it to old Ali

I agree the old Ali that fought Holmes and Berbick sucked. Put it this way

I would take both McCall and Rahman over the old Ali that's how bad he was

 

Prime Lewis didn't get a boxing lesson from Doug Jones, or got knocked down by Billy Daniels and Henry Cooper, he didn't win his title in a fixed fight, he didn't defend it in another fixed fight, and he ddn't defend it afterwards against several mediocre or injured fighters.

 

Exactly. Why would someone who's supposivly throwing a fight, blind the other fighter and try desperatly to knock him out? You were right to quote me cause it don't make since my man.

you are the first person I've ever met that would argue this. But I will agree with you, Foreman did possess raw power and he did not need any of that other crap to make use of it.

Did you ever see Lewis do to ANYONE, as Foreman had done to Frazier? Norton? Cooney? Lyle? Moorer? No, Lewis never ever displayed such force or power in any of his ko's. There is a reason Foreman is considered the heaviest puncher of all time and not Lewis.

I thought Ali had a flawed defense? Even against somebody who does telegraph like Foreman, to lay on the ropes and repel or slip punches of that calibre and take the shots that land is more impressive than anything Lewis ever did

exactly you're proving my point. In order to beat Ali you must apply constant pressure, none of which is even hinted at in you're analyisis of his style. Not only that, Lewis was not a pressure fighter. He never was never will be. He was a cautious, calculating, boxer puncher. Bad match up my brotha.

Possibly he is, but it's not enough to be a deciding factor, and not really a sound argument to debate about.

Ali didn't have to possess dynamite hands to put people away. His mixture of handspeed, footwork, and agility did all that. Further more You're not looking at prime Ali 64-67. who was something like 29-0 with 24 knockouts, just a good of ko ratio if not better than Lewis's. Nice Ko resume no matter how he took them out, he still did it. You're trying to bend the rules and make it sound as if a stoppage isn't a stoppage if it aint a flat out ko, but Ali possessed so many tools outside power that is simply wasn't a problem for him.

Lewis was landed several tens of clean hooks and crosses on an equally fatigued Ray Mercer, and absolutly could NOT put him down. And the fight even lasted longer!

Ugh.......Foster, Quarry, Ellis, Ali, Zygliwits, Machen, should I go on?

But what do you meen 'without wearing them down'??? How many right off the bat ko's did Lewis have where he didn't have to 'wear down' his opponent in some way. Nearly all ko's are a form of that, one fighter somehow 'wearing down' the other then stopping them. Very few right off the bat ko's such as Foreman-Frazier 1 and Klitcko-Sanders type ko's happen, very rare. How many does lewis have?

Well I'm sorry, but Lewis had just a few times to showcase he chin and it failed EVERY TIME. Gimmee a break, you trying to degrade Ali's skill just because he (according to you) had less than an average HW punch? Get real. I'd say Lewis' dentable chin is far more a factor. Let us not forget Ali makes up for this with speed, agility, and raw talent. I'd take a fighter with a weak punch and all that, tha, a strong one witha dubious chin anyday.

What several other fighters exploited Ali's so called 'flawed defense'? Lemme guess......Jones and Cooper right? Sure they landed good ones just like Rahman and McCall did. But Ali got up and won.




Did Lewis?:good

 

Senya I'm gonna pay Lewis a compliment. His chin doesn't have as much glass as Roy Jones

There are chins worse then Lewis but his was not great

 

And if you want to use age vs age Senya, lets turn it around.

Ali won the title when he was somthing like 21. Lewis wasn't even a professional fighter untill he was 24! So I guess we can say since a 40 year old Lewis beats a 40 year old Ali. Then what do you think a 21 Year old Ali would do to Lewis who's 3 years older and still an amateur? lol

 

Tyson was 15 years past his prime. How did McBribe take his punches

Holyfield was never that big a puncher to begin with at heavyweight and in my opinion was never

the same after the Bowe trilogy. People thought he was back because he beat the overated

Mike Tyson Klitschko did hurt Lewis and if the fight would of continued I think Lewis would

of been knocked out. Lewis never beat a Hall of Famer in his prime but lost to a crack addict in his

prime

 

Ali was caught many times from distance v Norton, but lets be honest, the Ali 2nd time around, was not the same talent.
He was smarter possibly, but not as gifted athletically, and he'd, IMO, have battered Norton earlier in his career.

Lewis was being dictated to by Frank Bruno, fight 1 v Rahman and by Mercer, because they could jab with Lewis.
I really think the speed differential ofsets anything Lewis has to hurt Ali, as he wouldnt get to use it.

Ali was also strong enough to tie Lewis up, and not be hanhandled in the clinch, as Lennox liked to do.

I honestly could see Lewis beating Ali if they fought 10 times, if we are talking both fighters at their optimum.

 

The version of Tyson that Lewis fought was no better then the version

that faced Williams and McBride. The version of Holyfield that Lewis fought

was slightly better then the one Toney faced. Lewis was in no hurry

to give Klitschko a rematch either