Liston vs Wlad Klitschko

You didn't read far enough or get my implication: I said IF he keeps him on the outside all night, and in stating that, I implied that it's a tall order for anyone. Especially someone who isn't a mover that can go lateral.

But I do think Wlad wins a battle of jabs with Liston. 3" reach advantage don't mean **** either way.

Liston finds his way past that jab at some point after he gets sick of eating too many.

 

i'm confused as well because i've never seen Wlad throw a right hand over his opponent's jab

 

where do you get this Wlad throwing his right over someone's jab from? the only superheavyweight i've seen who could throw this punch was Bowe and even he could be sloppy with it

 

Liston KO 2

 

Ah, Riddick Bowe. There's another guy I'd pick over Liston H2H. Riddick would destroy him worse than Wlad would. Who cares if Wlad doesn't come over the top with his straight right? Arguing theoretical things that have never happened in real life as if they're proof is exactly what Liston nuthuggers do all the time when they project him to do things like beat good big men.

*I'll warn you, there's really no rational, objective argument that's going to come out of me on this topic. I just think he's gotten to be overrated as hell and so I'm prone to post whatever I feel like as backlash. At least I admit it lol. It's nothing against Sonny either, it's not his fault people swing from his nuts so much these days.

This'll be the last I post on it so I don't gum up the Classic forum any more than I already have. :good:bolt

 

Liston would definitely TKO wlad. Wlad doesn't have the chin to stand up to Liston's punches. Liston also has the reach, power, strength, and jab to give Wlad problems he's never seen before.
Liston certainly could stand up to Wlad's shots. Definitely he would do very well while jabbing with Wlad, with his reach advantage.

 

Liston by decapitation...TIMBER!!!

 

Here's footage of Liston against a very capable 6'6 fighter in Ernie Terrell who happened to have a great jab.

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I like the way Liston slips the jab and counters here. I think he can catch Wlad pawing with his jab and land a right hand over the top and Liston also happens to have a great looping left hook which I have no doubt would land on him after watching the Peter fight (Peter is about the same height as Liston, it's not like he's some super mega heavyweight)

The early, more reckless Wlad has a better chance to win because he'd try to finish what Cleveland Williams started.

 

Liston.

 

No, Liston disn't have a better or heavier jab than Wladimir Klitschko. :nono

Sonny had a good jab but Wlad has an ATG jab. Before you inquire, Wlad punches harder with his right hand too.

 

Im just going to leave this funny joke in bold. :thumbsup

 

Sonny takes his head off ...

 

Why? Liston is slow on his feet and short. Wlad is the opposite on both counts. I can see this one going both ways.

 

I think the lattter era Wlad has all the tools to pummel Liston from a distance and cause a quit job. Any advantage of reach is more than trumped by Wlad's 6 inch height advantage. Lean forward or back and he makes up and increases distance. His jab is faster and will control the action. It's all about controlling distance with Liston and not walking into him. Wlad may go down, though he hasn't done that recently (I always considered it more mental/anxiety issue than one of being easily concussed). I see a corner stoppage around 11.

 

I could, too.

I said that because Wlad has the tendency to be too passive, and I think that's the wrong plan against Liston. You need to be first and keep him reacting rather than leading. It also wouldn't hurt your cause if you had good wheels, which Wlad doesn't- not in the steady lateral movement way.

The Williams fights indicated to me that Liston, while cool under pressure and attack, would wait for his turn instead of turning it into a punch-up.

If Wlad came out with the mindset that he was the puncher and came out to blow him out, I think he could possibly do that.

My point was that I see Wlad having better luck with the blitzkrieg approach rather than the too-patient, cautious, boring, boxer-mode that works so well against this crop of opponents he faces. I think Liston finds a way in more than Wlad's opponents and makes it count in that scenario.