Good Champion boxers who never ducked nor was there ever any allegations of ducking

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  1. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Though its been said before, Oscar Dela Hoya never ducked anyone in any division he fought in. He never will be considered an ATG, but he was competitive in every fight he was ever in aside from his last fight against Manny.
     
  2. richard mossley

    richard mossley Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. hookers are for ugly people? i beg to differ. i **** whores all the time and i bet i still get more free ***** than u. theres nothing wrong with a ***** house. some hoes are ****ing hot as hell. no joke. morales never ducked anyone.
     
  4. Stick and Move

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  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some of these mentioned were ACCUSED of ducking, or avoiding, other fighters.

    Tommy Hearns: Mike McCallum, and Michael Nunn. Larry Merchant said during the Ray Leonard rematch that Hearns admitted he wanted no part of Nunn. Then again, Nunn was the champ at the time, and Hearns wasn't. Hearns was viewed as a name who was shot.

    Roberto Duran: Mike McCallum was the #1 contender and never got a title shot. His management kept him away from certain fights, for whatever reason. Carlos Eleta had him pull out of a fight against an old Carlos Ortiz, and fake an illness, even though Duran most likely would've whupped Ortiz. Ken Buchanan never got a rematch, and Ken himself blames Duran's management, not Roberto himself.

    Evander Holyfield: Was accused of avoiding Lennox Lewis in late 1997. Holyfield had just beaten Michael Moorer in the rematch, and Lewis had just destroyed Andrew Golota. There were talks and Holyfield demanded $20 million or something, and the negotiations fell apart. It doesn't matter much now as they ended up fighting in March 1999 anyway, but at the time, people were saying Holyfield was avoiding Lewis by pricing himself out.

    Oscar De La Hoya: Not giving rematches to Ike Quartey or Pernell Whitaker. Soon after the Whitaker fight, Arum and DLH were already discussing the next 3-4 fights, which did not include Pernell. I've heard people talk about how James Page was avoided by the big name WWs like DLH, Shane, Tito, etc...

    Julio Cesar Chavez: Never gave a rubber match to Frankie Randall until it was about 9-10 years overdue.

    Of course, reasonably, a lot of these were not ducks and just common sense. If you're Duran, do you fight mandatory McCallum for barely six figure, or big-name champ Hearns for millions? If you're De La Hoya, and you have to deal with Don King, who do you fight? Felix Trinidad or James Page? Gee, a tough one.

    But the topic is about allegations of ducking, and nearly every fighter is going to be accused of avoiding some guys, or simply miss out on certain opponents.
     
  6. raxman

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    really? i was just a kid but since then hasnt it been revealed that dundee and steward drew it out so as to build on the hype.

    anyway for the most part, the real cherrypicking and ducking seems a bit of a modern phenom - but one fighter - who i wasnt a fan but now am - who seems to fight anyone with any style is miguel cotto

    look at his CV - mosley, pac, marg, judah, foreman, clottey, even what you may call his second tier opponents are good solid fighters quintanna, torres, malignaggi, corley, pinto, bailey, urkal, and lovemore ndou

    he fights them all - from bangers to boxers, pressure fighters to slicksters.

    i'm ashamed that i didnt rate and follow him from the beginning, and i can't for the life of me remember why i had such a mental block against him
     
  7. Thread Stealer

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    It's not really new, it's just that there's more media and technology so you're more likely to hear about broken negotiations, or "call-outs" (not that it means much), or there's so many belts, that you can't fully unify and people will say that was "ducking" or "avoiding".

    Due to the numerous belts out there, high-risk/low-reward fighter often get more chances than they used to. High-risk/low-reward fighters who were avoided in the past like Charley Burley and the Black Murderers Row, Ray Robinson for awhile, Ezzard Charles at LHW, etc...would be more likely to get some sort of belt and use that as a bargaining tool, or at least "IBF/WBA/WBC Champ" sounds nice for the cable networks.
     
  8. klimting

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    chavez pretty much fought everyone including a dangerous and young de la hoya at the tail end of a hard career. also fought kosta tzyu at the end of his career. some cojones indeed....
    el terrible never ducked anyone either as far as i'm aware?
     
  9. rdmantle

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  10. The Top Dog

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  11. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got his highest payday of $5 million to be forced to fight in Manchester, so I think that is a bit rich saying he was forced.

    But I do agree he never ducked anyone and actually wanted Mayweather who fought Gatti???
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe
    Lewis
    Hamed
    Erdei
    Michalczewski
    Kessler
    Froch
     
  13. THN

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    Ali
    Monzon
    Taylor
    Kessler
    Froch
     
  14. horst

    horst Guest

    There have been so, so many. There are active fighters right now who have sought big challenges and never ducked any viable, realistic challenger.

    Off the top of my head, I'd give special mention to Thomas Hearns, Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao and Pernell Whitaker as guys who went looking for the hardest opponents for the vast majority of their careers.

    Hearns fighting Virgil Hill at lhw, Oscar fighting B-Hop at 157/158, Pacquiao coming from flyweight to fight welterweights, and Pea facing Oscar and Tito once he was well past his best are all worthy of real admiration.
     
  15. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Glen Johnson: He should of fought him around 2004 or after he beat Hopkins
    Mercer rematch
    Byrd (his ibf mandatory)
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    Theres talk of him avoiding jmm, but I dont know the details
    Neither him or Jones tried hard enough to make their fight happen