Who other than Mexico believe's Chavez was ahead of F. Randall in the '94 rematch?

Seamus = Julio Cesar Chavez's Mum

 

there's the ones mentioned and the DQ loss he suffered earlier in his career than his manager had reversed and stricken from his record

best mexican fighter ever, not even close (with respect to lopez, barrera and morales) but would his record look as good if those close wins and draws were replaced with close losses?

 

Grover Wiley?

Chavez peaked in the late 80's. People need to keep that in mind when judging his career. He certainly became a prima donna as he aged and had little business fighting as a welter. He was merely King's gravy train at that point, win, lose or draw.

 

Yeah he definatly became a Prima Donna. Turned into a sort of Yory Boy Campas quitting whenever things were getting hard. He had already established his legend and it does not hurt his legacy (his performance in the second Oscar fight and a draw against Gonzales could arguebly enhance it). Still its a shame thats what some memories of him are. In his prime was a fearsome boxer who tore out his opponents stole and crushed them inside the ring.

 

Flip Homansky should have been fired after that fight. It was on his directive that the fight was stopped, and he sited Chavez not wanting to continue as the reason for stopping it.

 

Yes, there was a huge diffetence between the young almost unknown Chavez eager to get at Rosario. & the whining Chavez who was suprised by Whitaker. The worst thing that happened to Chavez was the huge crowd of the Haugen spectical & the big fight with Camacho. These fights gave Chavez so much attention & created so much hype. Julio started to believe it himself. During the Whitaker fight, Chavez was almost in shock & looking at Pernell as if saying " how dare you"? after instead of getting back to basics, too late, a monster was created. Same with Tyson late in his career. they dont listen & think they know better. Boxing is a beautiful sport. but also cruel if you are not prepared mentally & physically.

 

Chavez, like Ali, was a fighter that came up the hard way and won the worlds adulation in the process. Their early career hard work eventually saw them for some reason getting off easy in several fights late in both mens careers.

They transcended boxing, making both men figure heads and idols of worship instead of men for many people. "Golden Boys" and cash cows are two ways to describe both past certain points in their careers.

Doesn't much detract from eithers greatness but its my opinion, regardless.

 

You act like Campas was some kind of weak willed dog or something. :huh

Multiple retirements were from broken bones, you're aware.

 

No way Chavez should have been ahead. Randall clearly outsped and outpunched him. Chavez tried to box in a few rounds because he knew he couldn't outpunch Randall. By the end, he had abandoned the boxing and was getting his but kicked, eating punches. He lucked out. Usually, the doctor let's the fight go for awhile to truly evaluate the cut, but Flip stopped it immidiately. This is the same doctor who allowed Bobby Chacon to bleed from cuts later requiring 60 stitches against Boza Edwards in the second fight. Flip was obviously inconsistent in his judgments i.e. boxing politics in play.

 

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, if it sounded harsh it didn't mean to. I'm comparing him to strictly a younger Julio who had lots of problems with younger opponents yet refused to wilt. I just means it in terms of him quitting on his stool often. I respect all boxers and especially somone like Campas I just find it unusual for such a tought ******* to quit on his stool so often. Same goes with Freitas