Just spent 2 hours watching Ray Robinson and...

Both have great jabs but don't use them as much as they should.
While I don't think this is a deciding factor. I think it favors Mayweather more than it dose Robinson.

 

at 140lb. SRR was clocking dudes cold at MW when he was past his best.

 

yeah, I was thinking that too, but that's more of an exception. Mosley hits harder than Pacquiao. Comparing Mosley to SRR's power is more acceptable

 

Why did Robinson never go to the Olympics? I read some parts of his book, but there's no mention of it yet.

 

I dont think the olympics became a big deal in boxing until round Patterson's time. I wish i knew more on the subject! Or at least, I dont read much about medalists.

 

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Same, I haven't seen much about them around Sugar's time.

 

He may well not beat Hagler....who just straight up is one of the the best middleweights ever.

But what exact technical developments do you feel were made?

Look at the blokes that were fairly competitive with Marvin in his prime and I see them being not only technically inferior to Robinson but most of the top fighters of his time.

 

SRR would beat any fighter today, Lightweight to Middleweight..

 

That might very well be possible. Foreman hit very hard, but he was "Boxable". If Wlad could avoid being hit cleanly? He would probably win. However he would be in mortal danger all 15 rounds.

Yes, Boxing has evolved.

 

If and ONLY if you equalize for the size difference. SRR was a solid WW. Mayweather is in the twilight of his career at WW. Prime for prime? Mayweather would be too small.

 

I'm sorry, I disagree with you on Hagler's competition, I just watched like 25 of his fights last month. I was astounded by it, those guys looked as fast as our modern jr. welters, very busy and very experienced. Maybe a onedimension guy like B. Briscoe or whatever who was a power puncher, but Hagler, a less experienced fighter at the time, boxed him perfectly off the back foot and easily won an almost flawless victory. Hagler was not troubled by anybody, to be honest, except maybe Antofuermo in his youth and Mugabi in his age, and he just had a bad strategy against sugar ray. Willie Munroe had lightning speed and solid flurries and defense, but I think Hagler deserved that win big time, the decision loss I saw was ridiculous, Hagler won it easy. There are QUICK guys challenging Hagler with slickness, speed, and defense and he has no problem with them. I was very impressed with his opposition and I feel they were technically superior to OUR middleweights by far, with a much higher work rate and handspeed. Robinson has his hands down, gets hit way more cleanly than Hagler by guys who are nowhere near Munroe's technical level.

The crudest guy who troubled Hagler was Antofuermo, and Hagler fixed that. The guys in Robinsons time were not working in and out with the jab, using solid foot work and varying the attack angles like Willie Munroe, nor were they throwing as many punches a round as he was. Hagler could go forward or backward, could KO when he wanted, and was almost NEVER hurt in every fight I saw, even the Mugabi one he was just rocked a bit. I honestly don't think Hagler deserved any of his losses, and I can't say the same about Robinson. Hagler had a much more complete style than Robinson, and the only attribute I will give Robinson over Hagler is raw speed and maybe a bit of height.

 

The most ordinary I saw Hagler look was against a master in Duran, the first title defense to go the distance for Hagler, and this was because Duran somehow got guys to fight at the pace he wanted in his best performances (which do not include Leonard II and Hearns, obviously, where he could not dictate his pace).

 

This is why i say that the athletes in boxing were the best in the 80's because it was still popular and had more developed training techniques.

 

I actually agree. It was a mainstream sport and sports science and technique were sophisticated. Now, really athletic guys are going to be drawn to some form of ball, and we get Brandon Rios, a paragon of athleticism. YAY!