Joe Calzaghe's thoughts on Roy Jones throughout the ages

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  1. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike Active Member Full Member

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    Dawson? He'd have overwhelmed him and outlasted him, leading to Dawson being labelled a hype job.

    Bute? Same

    Froch? - 120-108 in Calzaghe's favour.

    Pavlik? Annihilation

    Hopkins rematch? Yawn
     
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  2. Smacked

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    Calzaghe took a big payday against a guy who was over the hill and he knew he would beat, nice money if you can get it, i dont see the problem with it at all and if calzaghe liked his performance so what, he did put in a good performance, i dont see what the problem is whatsoever, its done all the time in boxing, as far as i remember lots of people were actually picking jones to win!!
     
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  3. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe was better than a lot of Americans, including myself, gave him credit for when he was active. That being said, his resume was weak and all his best wins save Kessler came against guys that were way past their primes (Eubanks, Hopkins, Jones).
     
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  4. Drinker

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    Even after Hopkins dominated Pascal people are still saying he was was way past his prime when Joe beat him.

    You simply cannot win.
     
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  5. horst

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    You can. You can fight people at one point among the years they are prime. It's not difficult, many many other fighters manage it.

    And FYI, Hopkins's prime was 1996-2003, with his absolute peak years 1997-2001. If you disagree with this, purchase his career set then get back to me. :good
     
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  6. Drinker

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    BBC, 21st November 2001.

    "It's all very well being the best in the world, but you need big names for big fights," he reflects.

    A fight with the Eric Lucas, the WBC champion, is a possibility, but unification fights are notoriously hard and expensive to arrange.

    As is a bout with Roy Jones.

    "To be honest I'm getting quite fed up with it," Calzaghe said.

    A bout against the undisputed light heavyweight champion has been the subject of ongoing speculation.

    "It's difficult because of the different networks involved. He's with HBO and I'm with Showtime - that's a massive obstacle in itself.

    "Secondly, you've got to ask yourself whether Roy Jones would want to fight me.

    "At the moment he picks his own opponents, fights the easiest guys he can and gets a lot of money for beating them.

    "I'm dangerous and I can take the mega money out of his pocket. Why would he want to fight me?
     
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  7. horst

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    Yeah, I bet Jones saw Calzaghe struggle to get an SD over Robin Reid and immediately bracketed him above Toney and Hopkins in the "far too dangerous" category. :nono
     
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  8. PowerPuncher

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    I dont think even the networks wanted a Calzaghe fight when Jones was prime, Calzaghe was practically considered a nobody pre-Lacy stateside
     
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  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Joe's resume shows more of this. Toney was at least on top of boxing when Roy beat him. What opponent on Joe's resume was at least close to his prime and as high at the top as Toney was? So again, fights start on paper so talk means nothing.
     
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  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe was years past his best when he fought Jones though, so it's easy to see why it could be a good win. He fought an old great fighter, yes, but he was also old himself so it's not like he had a big advantage over him. Considering how massively Calzaghe had been effected by injuries and age, it was a significant win.
     
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  11. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    yep, jones looked at twice proven, banned anabolic steroid cheat james toney who he had already given a one sided beaten with the following on his record whilst still at his peak


    D - sanderline williams (11 defeats to his name) :lol:
    L - thadzi (8 defeats) :lol:
    L - griffin (twice) :lol:
    SD - sosa :lol:
    SD - tiberi :lol:
    SD - johnson :lol:



    and thought, yeah, i'll put james toney in the 'too dangerous category' :rofl
     
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  12. Drinker

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    His perfomances against Pavlik and Pascal were as good as anything I've seen from the periods you've mentioned.

    When did he start to decline after 2003? Which performances confirm he was he completly shot and finished?

    Not his age. His performances.
     
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  13. horst

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    Why would Jones categorize Toney years after he had already beaten him and when neither man was remotely interested in fighting the other, and when they weren't in the same division? :huh

    When Jones did fight Toney, Toney was undefeated and p4p#2. :deal

    Every single post you make further exposes your horrible lack of boxing knowledge and understanding. :rofl
     
    horst, Dec 28, 2010
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  14. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    You haven't watched much boxing, or any of those fights have you? Reggie Johnson was a very good champion, who beat Steve Collins. The Griffin loses were controversal and Toney was no longer/prime motivated....I could go on but you're an idiot
     
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  15. horst

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    Who said shot and/or finished? :patsch

    Watch Hopkins vs Trinidad from 2001, Hopkins vs Echols II from 2000, and Hopkins vs G.Johnson from 1997.

    Then watch Hopkins vs Oscar from 2004, Hopkins vs Eastman from 2005, and Taylor I and II also from 2005.

    If you understand boxing, it will be patently obvious how the man had declined. :deal
     
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