A peak joe louis vs a peak lennox lewis

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  1. janitor

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  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Counter-Punch the jab !!

    The best counterpuncher that I know is Joe Louis !
    And Lewis is to easy to counter...stationary target....

    Joe could jab, had faster hands, and could counter bigger guys like Lewis....
    Louis would be clever and smart enough to counter punch him !!

    Look the Carnera fight
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovh8VkTxYI[/ame]

    Of course Lewis was much better than Carnera !.....But Louis has a pretty good chance in my opinion !
     
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  3. Iron Fist Joe

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    Awesome debate I'm reading here.

    In response to McGrain's question - "name someone who looks better"..

    I can't help but feel a problem we have is that a loss means far more today than it did in yesteryear.

    A fighter loses today, and people'll call him shot, exposed, should retire etc.

    Not quite the case in years gone by..

    Some fighters will fight not to lose than to win - and while they're great fighters, it can hold them back.

    Floyd Mayweather I think can be a prime example - he'll dominate fighters, and we can all see he has the ability to finish someone - but why should he attempt it and risk getting caught, simply to "look good". Wlad is another one. Arguably Haye as well at times.

    I suspect fighters today have the ability to destroy fighters in similar ways to the oldtimers - but, the risk is far greater in terms of future marketability.
     
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  4. BoxingFanNo1

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    Just wrote a massive response to this and hit some ****ing key on my computer and deleted it, ****ing raging.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    You need to get Google Chrome.
     
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  6. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    50 minutes man, 50 ****ing minutes, got books out, boxrec on tab plus some wiki profiles, ****.

    I'll address it later but I remember the last point I typed which is more relevant to what I'm saying than anything else.

    With regards to the Buddy Baer - Conn fights.

    Louis went 7 rounds with Baer, 3 1/2 weeks later he fought Conn (top 10 LHW lock) and went 13 rounds before knocking him out, he was behind on 2 cards, even on 1. Conn at the time was prime, even Louis himself said Conn was the best all round boxer he ever faced, just too game. Now, remove Conn and replace him with prime CW Holyfield or prime LHW Spinks, give them the full modern treatment, 8 weeks prep, nutritionist, fitness coach etc, how do they hold up against Joe? How would a solid top 10 HW of the 90's do? (outside of Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Tyson). Remember, Conn himself only had 3 weeks prep.

    I'm still livid.:twisted:
     
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  7. Iron Fist Joe

    Iron Fist Joe Guest

    :rofl

    Been there.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Neither Spinks nor Holyfield can match Conn as an in-fighter. The famous "you can run but you can't hide" quote that Louis coined here, it's a misnomer. Conn never ran. He identified Louis's range, his circle, and he stayed out of it for periods, but he also stepped all the way into it for periods, and used pivots, blocks, sneak attacks and balance tricks to pull of the greatests smash and grab - nearly - of all time.

    Conn is persistently underated on this board, and this is only one facet of that - the two men you want to replace him with would get crushed in a way Conn wasn't if you give them 8 years prep with modern nutrition.

    Spinks, he boxes instead of coming in, freezes or gasses at some point and gets stopped whilst behind on the cards.

    Holyfield gets thrashed in a horrible fight. He might deck Louis, but he's just to willing to be led. I think there may not have been a fighter at any weight, ever, so good at punishing rash leads.
     
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  9. skidd1

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    "Just wrote a massive response to this and hit some ****ing key on my computer and deleted it, ****ing raging."


    Which means ....I have no answer to the arguments raised.I need to contact google,Boxrec,wiki etc and I cant work my PC either

    As opposed to the more logical answer that you are talking nonsense:good
     
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  10. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually bit by bit as you can see I'm addressing all points, I'm also on other forums and threads. You have any idea what it takes to get motivated to type a shitload of what you've already done?? If you're just here for the wind-up and not debating my points then just **** off, nobody wants you here.
     
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  11. ripcity

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    Lewis is 6'5" with a 84" reach. At his peak he will weigh in around 250.
    Louis is 6'2" with a 76" reach. At his peak he will weigh around 200.
    Lewis may not have the same skills as Louis but when you take into account Lewis's size advantage, and he is a very good boxer himself.
    Lewis should take advantage of a 8" reach advantage over Louis stay on the outside and batter Louis with his jab all night.
    Sure it is possible that Louis can get inside. If this dose happen we would at least see what kind of chin Lewis has. HoweverLouis is going to eat a lot of punches to do so.
     
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  12. skidd1

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    I have already addressed the points you raised
    You haven't answered regarding PED's etc and the fact you are on other forums means nothing
    If you want to debate the point then do it

    "You have any idea what it takes to get motivated to type a shitload of what you've already done??"
    I have no idea what that you mean by that? Care to put that into anything resembling a logical question.I'm assuming English is your first language?
     
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  13. Swarmer

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    He is definitely not given the props he deserves ANYWHERE, especially in regard to all around skillset at different ranges like you mentioned, people don't address how well he managed to exchange with Louis. If he hadn't gotten cocky... :lol:
     
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  14. skidd1

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    Conn should be judged on how well he did against Louis that night and not the other way around.
    Great performance
     
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  15. McGrain

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    I don't think it was just a matter of his getting cocky, either. These ideas are all based upon Louis's line and Conn's patter post-fight. The film just shows Conn doing, in the 13th, what he did much more aggressively in the 11th, a fighter trying to alleviate pressure, win a round, and possibly cause some hurt. The idea that he "went for the knockout" having previously run or boxed is not accurate - Conn, a hugely, hugely underestimated puncher was always looking for that window, throughout the fight.

    Conn was tired. The mental stress of being stalked for 13 rounds like that cannot be underestimated. He stood his ground, but it was a combination of fatigue and Louis's economy that made that knockout, not Bily becoming cocky - at least that's how I see it.

    "What's the point of being Irish if you can't be thick?" is a great line, but it's twisted the story of that fight, IMO.
     
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