A peak joe louis vs a peak lennox lewis

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He actually said this about the second fight.
     
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  2. skidd1

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    Which was not a patch on the first one..Both guys had done their war service . Certainly Conn knew better than to trade with Joe in the second fight
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Louis-Conn II is the Louis fight i've seen the least. I think I watched it maybe twice in my life.
     
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  4. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Exactly. Lewis' reach and punching power might be too much. Joe would take too many shots, and wouldn't be able to get close. The long Lewis jab and brutal uppercut would make the difference, in my opinion.
     
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  5. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A fight where he is throwing one or two punches at a time, countering economically and yet gets tired by the 8th round, despite Smith not throwing too many punches himself? Yeah, it's so impressive!
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    We've had this before, and it ended with you "going to watch the fight" because you can't watch youtube videos and couldn't really remember much about what happened.

    It's an astonishing performance which has been detailed since we talked - on youtube - by perhaps the single best video analysis on the internet. Praise abounds, and I personally, think it is spot on.
     
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  7. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People in his own time surpassed him defensively and in speed. You're born with the capacity for speed.
     
    HENDO, Jan 1, 2011
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  8. Swarmer

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    Not really, Louis is one of the best at parrying and countering a lead, more so than arguably anyone else in the division besides Johnson, he would get inside. It's a matter of time. As far as the chin thing goes... Imagine this times fifty.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQy-ScwyvE[/ame]
     
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  9. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Excellent point. However, Lewis improved after this fight. Before hooking up with Emmanuel Steward, Lewis tried to fight like a 6'5 version of Mike Tyson. He wanted to knock out people early to impress the American fans. But..in trying to fight this way, he left himself open. Lewis used to throw a lot of right hand power shots, and McCall got in close and landed his right hand before Lewis connected with his.

    The 1995-2002 version of Lewis was much more careful and harder to catch on the chin. He backpedaled and hid behind his jab. There's a chance that Joe catches and destroys Lewis, but it would take patience. This would would go to the late rounds, most likely.
     
    Hydraulix, Jan 1, 2011
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  10. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We've had? I didn't watch it on youtube, I have had it in good quality before it appeared on YT. And I don't need to remember it, I wrote a thorough analysis of what I saw on the video for one Russian forum (in May 2007). If the analysis you are talking about doesn't doesn't talk that Burley looks tired and timid by the 8th round, it's worthless.
     
    Senya13, Jan 2, 2011
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  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    McGrain, I'm still looking forward to your response to my post #105 (the bottom of page 7 in default ESB view).
     
    ChrisPontius, Jan 2, 2011
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    theres no getting away from it.its a fact:good
     
    turpinr, Jan 2, 2011
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  13. McGrain

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    I'm pointing out that the spread of the best fighters head to head is unaffected by this supposed advancement in boxing and nutrition. If we accept that boxing, between 35 and 2010 is basically the same sport, no reasonable head to head list is going to be dominated by fighers from the last fifteen years - in fact there are far more likely to be fighters from the 40's on such lists. I personally don't think a welterweight from the past decade would be on there, you could argue four for the 40's. Maybe two will/should be on there, but it still doesn't change the general pattern.

    I think that if boxing was continuing to advance - advance mind you - all the best fighters as they appear on film would be from the most recent decades. This is not the case at all.

    Nor am I breaking them down into "modern" and "old" as categories - this is why Liston's being "borderline modern" means very little to me - what makes him "more modern" than Louis? Nothing. What makes him "less modern" than Holyfield? Nothing, unless you want to point to Holyfield's training in gaining size.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The heavyweights look pretty ****ing horrible for the most part...if that's advancement you can definitely keep it.
     
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  15. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don´t think he is underrated, when he is mentioned then always with huge respect.


    The relevance for boxing of this was so often disproven in here, it isn´t even funny anymore.
     
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