Right - My theory on the Haye - Klitschko situation. A serious post. Am I way off?

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  1. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Right, I'm kind of putting my e-balls on the line here as this could get me laughed outta here, but this is my take on the whole situation and how I think it will play out.

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    There's no real fall out, the fight is all set for later this year and everything is agreed in principle, hence that latest negotiations.

    Wlad fights a ridiculously low risk walk over in Chisora, freeing himself from the current RTL deal, leaving him free to negotiate a new TV deal in Germany. This deal will obviously be FAR more lucrative than the current one as it includes a guaranteed fight and potential rematch against David Haye. This easily brings another few of £million to the pot, which will be split down the middle.

    (Remember, Hayemaker were really not happy with splitting everything 50:50 considering the disparity in value between Haye's Sky deal and Wlad's RTL deal. It seemed a real sticking point and a deal breaker)

    In the meantime Haye gets his mandatory against Chagaev out of the way (providing Ruslan is deemed fit) and completely clears the path for the fight and potential rematches and fight/s with Vitali. *EDIT - something I initally overlooked, which adds further creedence to the theory is that the Chagaev fight would mark the end of Sauerlands options on Haye, which means even MORE money goes into the pot for both fighters. (Thanks to Uncle Rico!)

    Of course, neither party can come out and admit to this, so they let the plan play out, both parties blame eachother for the lack of a fight, the bad blood continues and probably intensifies and the public interest remains, or even grows.

    As much as people discuss the bad blood between the two parties, they are no mugs. They are very shrewd in the money making business, and they know full well that they both need each other for both their career high paydays and their career defining fights. There is not way that either party would sacrifice this kind of money over some 'he's said this, he said that bull****'. These are grown business men, not kids in a playground.

    Looking back everything (bar the Harrison fight) that Haye has done since the 2009 fight that fell through because of Setanta has served to make this fight even bigger. He has secured himself a World title and a lucrative PPV contract. His conduct means you now have even more people who want to see Haye get knocked out. ****, we've even had Wladimir Klitschko making youtube videos calling David Haye a *****!

    This fight happens in 2011 and the collapse of Setanta turns out to be one huge blessing in disguise for both fighters (who knows, maybe even Vitali :yep)

    Now, am I mad?

    Does this not make a tad more sense than (and even explain) the whole 'Haye's a fraud/Wlad's a ducker' bull****?


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    *EDIT - people have mentioned that Adamek's name is now being mentioned for a potential 2011 fight with Wlad. I'll laid my balls on the line this far, I may as well go all the way and stretch my sack out a bit. Here goes:

    I thought of the Adamek thing myself. And this is where (although it's exactly what I would do and is logical) it makes me sound like a bit of a loon.

    If this whole scenario is true they're not exactly hiding a lot from the public. You certainly can't admit to what's going on because it would be a PR disaster for both parties, not to mention weaken Wlads hand in the TV negotiations. All you do is instead of coming clean, they continue to slag each other off for the fight falling through. How do you make it seem more authentic - stage some half arse negotiations with other fights and make sure that the public know about it.

    Time to put on my tin foil hat?
     
  2. kidgloves

    kidgloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What about Adamek v Wlad or has that turned out to be bollocks?
     
  3. bruthead

    bruthead REAL TALK Full Member

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    I thought this yesterday myself. However, if Wlad signs to fight Adamek in September I will think that the Klitschkos want Vitali to fight Haye and are forcing Haye down that path. Not that there's any reason they shouldn't do that.
     
  4. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Shaun mate I had the exact same theory as you until the Adamek vs Wlad stuff came out. thats how you no.

    I have come to realise its just bad karma for Haye for fighting Harrison. Honestly if he retired in October fighting Chagaev and Arreola his legacy would be shocking.
     
  5. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    If the Wlad/Adamek stuff is just a rumour then this is highly possible.

    Wlad's people haven't said anything about the Adamek fight yet.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    I thought about this, too. A crappy fight with Chagaev will also allow Haye to remove himself from his deal with Saureland. As I mentioned the other day, both Wladimir and Haye benefit greatly from not fighting each other next. With their tune-ups out of the way, the Haye-Klitschko fights will be taking place under new deals which give the fighters more money.

    And this Wlad/Adamek is just nonsense.
     
  7. ScubaSteve

    ScubaSteve Dwylo o Garreg Full Member

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    I share your view mate.
     
  8. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    I thought of the Adamek thing myself. And this is where (although it's exactly what I would do and is logical) it makes me sound like a bit of a loon.

    If this whole scenario is true they're not exactly hiding a lot from the public. You certainly can't admit to what's going on because it would be a PR disaster for both parties, not to mention weaken Wlads hand in the TV negotiations. All you do is instead of coming clean, they continue to slag each other off for the fight falling through. How do you make it seem more authentic - stage some half arse negotiations with other fights and make sure that the public know about it.

    Time to put on my tin foil hat?
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Surley that would be a duck from Wlad??
     
  10. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Of course the Sauerland thing! I'll add that in (but give you credit). In a year's time this could be my PacDbest moment. This is my legacy :lol:
     
  11. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Haye and Booth have said that he re-negotiated his deal with Sauerland to take the fight though.

    Honestly I think that it was what the Klitsckos are thinking but Haye and Booth were never in on it. The animosity between the two sides is genuine.
     
  12. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    I have edited the original post to reference Sauerland and Adamek
     
  13. bruthead

    bruthead REAL TALK Full Member

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    Yes and No. It's complicated because the Klitschkos are two fighters but they are of the same mind. Let's say the Klitschkos have decided that Vitali will fight Haye and Haye has decided he wants to fight Wladimir. Wladimir takes other fights to let Vitali take on Haye. Is Wladimir ducking Haye? Yes and No. What's certain is that if Haye refuses to fight Vitali, Haye is ducking Vitali.
     
  14. bruthead

    bruthead REAL TALK Full Member

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    shaunster101: Your theory stacks up. Obviously we will have to wait and see if this Wlad-Adamek rumour is legit or just more smoke and mirrors.
     
  15. Dubstep

    Dubstep Active Member Full Member

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    The thing that I don't understand is that Golden Boy have some involvement in David Haye - could they not have applied some financial clout to proceedings?