If GSP beats Silva at MW, does he approach Fedor-status

Damn you Morono, you post a lot of bull**** then every once in a while you post something I agree with :thumbsup

 

Besides having some of the best training methods and cross training with some of the best guys in MMA? Impose your strategy and tactic over your opponent any which way you can taking minimal chances. He builds the gameplan and you stick with it. The goal is to win and even when the fans boo, you do not care.

 

1) Fedor trains with the best Sambo guys and wrestling guys that Russia can provide (they are the best at this)

2) Fedor trains with legit world class boxers (Russia also is very good at this)

3) Fedor trains with the best Judo guys from Russia, Korea and Japan (they are at the top in this)

4) Fedor goes to or brings to Russia the best Kickboxers from Holland.

Lets look at point 4 because Fedor has already proven to be amongst the elite in Sambo and Judo. Can you get any better kickboxing coach/sparring partner than Hoost, Spong and the other K-1 stars from the Netherlands? Please tell me a better kickboxing coach from Jackson's thats a better fighter/coach than Mr. Perfect himself. How about boxing? Fedor recently trained with a very good boxer in Denis Lebedev.

 

Yeah and where are those guys Fedor training with in their MMA careers?
GSP will take each and everyone of those and pound them out without breaking a sweat in the cage. OK GSP is a special fighter but tell me, out of the renowned RED Devil stable, who is in Marquardt, Evans, Condit, Carwin or even Jon Jones category?. If Fedors training is so great at Red Devil why is it that they cannot produce top fighters besides him and that overrated Moussai? Meanwhile besides Blackhouse, Jackson has attracted the whos who of MMA, why is that? Thats because his system probably works.

Im getting off on a tangent here but when I see Fedor and his buddies training in the wild in some kind of siberian cottage, i just feel that hes not training with the best. I could be wrong though.

 

If Fedor's training is so bad then why is the the P4P and GOAT of MMA with more wins and far more accomplishments than GSP.

Also Red Devil does have some excellent fighters who have not been given a chance in the American scene but are successful in the Russian scene. Its very hard to get a look in in America when inexperienced guys like Brock and Carwin can get the spot purely because of their marketability. Fedor, Igor and the other top Eastern European fighters were lucky enough to have started during the Pride days, Pride didn't mind co promoting and showcasing a more international flavour of MMA fighters.

As for the so called over rated Gegard. Well unlike the over rated strikers from the Jackson camp, Gegard has actually gone off and tested himself against the best strikers in the world and has done very well. Carwins so called top striking would get exposed if he did test himself against Badr, Peter, Schilt, and co.

Fedor and the Red Devil guys train out doors with oppressive conditions, in altitude up in the mountains, in Holland with the K-1 guys, and also train in one of the fanciest gyms in the world....
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Thats because Fedor is a natural fighter, much in the same mold as BJ Penn. Thats why many people wonder that these guys doesnt look that part of great fighters physically. Im not insunuating that he is a bum because he is up there with the top 3 greatest. But if you watch his fights, there are weaknesses that you can point to. Sloppy boxing, bad technique but what saves him?? Freakish speed and explosion. He is a great athlete. Now compare him with GSP, Boxing technique check, BJJ, check, Wrestling check, defense check, cardio check, TD defense check. Now think that GSP wasnt this formidable all around 4-5 years ago. He has improved in every facet.

Again Fedor is arguably the greatest of all time but mybe all Im saying is that had he trained under some of the more known org. He may heve refined his game even more.

And please dont give me this RED Devil team not getting any recognition and its based on luck when you have a non american team like Blackhouse/BTT that can rise thru the ranks w/o any aid except for winning bouts.

 

You call it sloppy boxing because it doesn’t fit in your mould and your expectation of how boxing should be done in MMA. Striking in Sambo and striking in boxing differ, unlike boxing, Sambo strikes were designed for real world no gloves hand to hand combat. One other MMA fighter had the same so called “sloppy boxing” style as Fedor. Both are top strikers, came from the same country (Ukraine), both do Sambo, and both regarded as the ATG MMA fighters.
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Compare GSP to Fedor, has GSP medalled and represented his country in Judo? Nope, has GSP medalled and represented his country in any other combat sport apart from MMA? Fedor has. Fedor is indeed quick but he is also very skilful far more so than GSP.

Does these look like a guy that doesn’t have the skills and training?
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As for like Blackhouse/BTT those two are still south Americans, how many of their fighters have been a success in Russia? Exactly. Red Devil is in a different region, the UFC isn’t very good at fighters from other regions like Pride, the UFC would much prefer a American, Canadian or south American fighter who already has a strong support base in America and who they could promote.

 

Just curious, for those who thinks GSP career is on par with Fedor or even close, have you guys followed Fedor's career while he was in pride? Or are you just looking at records and are not as impressed as you should be because all his top opponents are now past prime and performed poorly in UFC?

The Cro-Cop and Big Nog you see now in the UFC is nothing like what they were while in Pride. None of Fedor's opponent got a chance to dominate the division like some of GSP opponents has because Fedor was there before them and gave no one that chance. Matt Hughes got a chance because he was there before Penn, and Penn got a chance because he was there before GSP, if GSP was there before Hughes and Penn then they wouldn't seem as impressive because they would not have the chance to be number 1 at any point in time.

Pride gave access to more fighters around the world than UFC does, that means more possibilities of the best fighters gets to test what they got. If the gracies stayed in the UFC they would probably seem more impressive than after we saw how Sakuraba dealt with them. If Anderson Silva stayed in Pride, he might not have been as dominant as he is now as we know his losses in Pride. It is strange how so many fighters who dominate so severly in UFC doesn't seem to fare half as well when in a more open organization like Pride. There is a reason why Pride was so popular among a lot of MMA fans in the US when they already have an American org like UFC. Too bad not everyone in the US follows other orgs as closely as they do with UFC although it is not all their fault because of the limited access to view other MMA orgs.

 

What' this MMA you keep talking about, is it like UFC? And what is Pride?

 

Ive been watching MMA since UFC 1 and Pride 1. I have never seen a more dominant, more complete fighter than GSP and to think that hes still peaking is pretty scary. How youre bringing out Pride on this topic is irrelevant because while I enjoyed watching Pride more than the UFC ever since the merger their so called superiority has been proven to be a myth.

 

Pride and UFC didn't merge, Pride was simply bought out by UFC and left to rot so I don't know how you can like watching Pride more than UFC ever since the merge when that is actually their downfall. Pride was at its best before they got bought. I wouldn't exactly call Pride superior, to be more precise they are more diverse which brings in more varieties of talents.

I have no doubt about GSP offensive abilities, it is among the best. But surely you can't say he is as mentally and physically tough as Fedor, can you honestly say he can deal with punishment and recover as well as the GOAT?

How many times have you seen top professional fighters from different orgs and multiple weightclasses calling Fedor GOAT even when they are in rival orgs. Can you recall as many doing the same for GSP? I think they know what is takes to be the best more than we do.

 

Look I was watching Pancrase before they had Pride. I love Pride and used to tell my friends back in the dark ages of the UFC that it is/was the org to watch. The production for Pride was unrivaled and the team of Rutten and Ranali was the best.

The problem with Pride is everyone was basically on gear and when UFC brought the guys over there came a realization that these guys werent that superior like they were hyped up to be with teh exception of Anderson (who fought for various org not exclusively for Pride).

Perception in this sport can change in a hurry. You ask the same people now who the best is p4p and they will tell you w/o hesitation GSP. And the thing is he doesnt have to take the punishment to prove it because he is that dominat offensively and defensively. His preparation and gameplan is the greatest in history so I dont get this mental toughness part. A year from now or when GSP dominates Anderson, there will be no doubt whos the greatest fighter in MMAs history by far.

 

Well in the end there can be no real way to prove who is the greatest, it coems down to opinion so I won't argue too hard since it isn't set in stone. When UFC brought the Pride guys over to their org, they were already past their prime. GSP and Fedor always prepare their best for all their fights, toughness plays a huge part in any fight game especially when an opponent close to your level or to bypass lucky shots and such. Maybe GSP wouldn't lose to Matt Serra if he can deal with punishments better, who knows. I wouldn't say GSP cannot pass Fedor, but I will say he hasn't yet and will not even with a victory over Silva, he has to go a bit further that is all.

 

Cmon now thats just pure nuthuggery. GSP took a beating from Serra, many people forget that he got hit in the back of his head initially but the finght didnt end right there. He couldnt get his wits back and was subsequently taken down.

Sure most of them Pride guys werent in their primes Shogun lost to Forrest remember? Rampage? lost to Rashad. Wand was beaten by a more shot Liddell. Hendo didnt do ****, BigNog, Rogerio isnt going nowhere. Oh Crocop too. Meanwhile Randys still kicking ass. And heres the thing, Zuffa didnt bring them in and fed them to the lions but heck Shogun lost to Forrest, Forrest! Look at Gomi for example, he was king kong in pride and hes irrelevant in the UFC. Look I could go on and on but really besides Shogun, not one single Pride fighter made a mark.

 

Don't talk about nuthuggery when you bring up purely one sided events to support your point.

GSP couldn't get his wits back hence I said toughness is important, like how Fedor got that crazy slam from Randleman.

You bring up all the lost Pride guy have, and you admit most of them weren't in their prime so that kinda make your point irrelevant. Shogun was on a downfall before he even enter the UFC but he made a comeback with Machida. Silva didn't do well in Pride and came to UFC and dominate, things can go both ways.

I have already mentioned I do not assume Pride automatically mean superior, I said they are more diverse. Kinda strange for you to argue with something that isn't there, but keep going, you doing a great job.