If GSP beats Silva at MW, does he approach Fedor-status

There is a point to be made, so basically its all these same washed up people fighting each other in Pride, they were brought to the UFC to fight mediocre fighters to showcase them (Gonzaga, Sanchez, Griffin) and some got sparked. Shogun wasnt on a downfall, he hurt his shoulders. My point is Fedors competition wasnt as good as some people are making it out to be outside of Cop and Big Nog in Pride and you could argue that GSP has a better resume and has had a period of the last three years thats been as dominant as anyone in history. Fedor is a great fighter no doubt but as of now, there can be an argument made of putting GSP in the same status.

 

The thing is they weren't washed up during their entire career in Pride, it was in the end and the transition that makes them look as bad as they are. Shogun injuring his shoulder with Coleman was his downfall, he wasn't the same fighter since until he picked back up with Machida. I won't disagree there can't be any argument for trying to put GSP there, just making points on why I wouldn't yet.

 

No, but he might possibly (under the loosest possible interpretation of the phrase) approach the status of "poor man's Overeem". I seriously doubt he'll ever be able to match the monumental feat of beating both Todd Duffee and Brett Rogers in a single year, though. That sort of accomplishment is unmatched not only in MMA, but the entire annals of sport.

 

*yawn

 

Nailed it.

 

You seem to forget the massive amount of time Silva earned his reputation outside of Pride.

Basically you say people only respect UFC fighters because they are in the UFC, when in reality you only respecting fighters outside of the UFC because they are outside of the UFC and disrespecting fighters in the UFC because they are in the UFC is much closer to the truth.

Could you give a top 10 list of some sort so that your biases can shine through?

 

That is quite absurd. He has fought some hall of famers, he has fought some middle of the road fighters, and he has fought some absolute jokes.

 

This is like saying the best club teams in soccer / football only face European teams; the reason is because they are the best.

Who exactly are these mystery 170lb fighters better than Koscheck, Hughes in his prime, BJ, Jon Fitch, et al?

 

Training with the best specialists in individual components does not necessarily mean training the best way for MMA.

Fedor has a great training system going for him, so does GSP, I wouldn't really rate one better than the other, but what is clear is that Jackson's camp has produced more championship MMA fighters than Fedor's group of trainers.

 

:rofl

There's another thread active where ppl are talking about him as atg. he still hasn't beaten a ranked heavyweight.

 

:rofl
Be a close second to subbing Choi & Lindland in the same year imo, I mean these guys were fighting for 'other' orgs, they've got to be great
GSP beating two atg WW's in Hughes & Fitch, as well as pretty decent fighters in BJ and Alves just dosen't compare. They are just products of UFC hype.
As someone said earlier it's ridiculous to compare the two in terms of record isnt it, especially since 06

 

Im still waiting for my answer to that Beebs. I guess the list is so long he's still typing his
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It's a mystery to me as to why 70% of the fighters in 'other' orgs would jump at the chance to fight in the UFC if the competition is so poor. I mean it's not as if the current UFC fighters were competing in 'other' orgs before they signed up
I guess they just want to look cool in the slo mo promo vids they show before fights

 

Silva would take GSP out, and early IMO.

 

Would rather see Anderson move up and fight Shogun.

 

Fedor has fought many UFC champions who at the time were regarded as the best and as beasts, he has also beaten excellent K-1 fighters, Pride fighters and many other fighters that today might not be as well known simply because they are not shown on the UFC's highlight or legends reel. Even one of Fedor's weakest bout was against a guy who racked up 15-0 wins prior to fighting Fedor. As ive stated before, Fedor has fought against better MMA fighters, better wrestlers, better kickboxers and better grapplers. GSP and Anderson might be good competing against well known UFC fighters but put them up against other types of fighters, fighters with K-1 level kickboxing or Olympic level grappling and they might not do as well (with or without a big MMA reputation).....as an example just look at who Anderson Silva has lost against, these were not the ATG nor were they hyped up as the P4P guys. The fact is that high ranking doesnt necessarily mean better fighters nor a better challenge to a particular fighter with a particular skill.