What would Charley Burley do....

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  1. McGrain

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    See, I don't know if Floyd can even be roughoused by a guy who is easy ish to hit. I think Mayweather has the power. But then Hatton did walk through some horrible stuff against Kostya...
     
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  2. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't feel Hatton will have any trouble with PBF's power exactly...PBF is too defensively oriented to sustain an offense to bother Hatton...The more I think about it, I'm thinking Hatton will force PBF to react more than he has in recent fights..if PBF does react more it increases the punching opportunities for Hatton. Kind of similar to Duran/Leonard 1
    Hatton definitely needs to wrestle to win. Maybe close to what they did back in the old, old days? Ketchel, Greb et.al.
    I hope anyway.
    I'm betting everything I own on this fight...haha
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Yeah, I quite agree, but what we know is that Hatton is going to get hit on the way in, the same as Oscar was. Oscar was bothered by Floyd's power, and he was a 154 fighter at that time...Hatton is a 140 up at 147, it discourages the opponent. Hatton has a whole lot of heart, but he is human. If you are moving forward, missing and being hit, it affects strategy and its execution...the more I think about it, the more I think this is where the fight will be decided, assuming Hatton isn't entirely outclassed (I am at this time).

    It's possible. Hatton certainly hasn't been shown to be lacking in this department. Maybe there is real hope there.
     
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  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mr Rosenfeld.
    In August of 1938, Burley decisioned Cocca Kid in 15 rounds to win the 'Coloured' welterweight championship...Was this the apex of Burley's career?
    How would you assess Burley's welterweight versus middleweight careers?
    For the sake of discussion....What IF Henry Armstrong defended against Burley in August of 1938? This has always been one of my favorite match-ups to ponder. Would the aggression, of one of boxing history's legends possibly be blunted by Burley's slick defensive tactics? Could Armstrong force Burley to fight out of character?
    Fascinating stuff. I would enjoy your opinion
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    Welcome to the board, you're knowledge of Burley and others will be greatly appreciated and i am sure McGrain will show you around and help if needed. He's a huge Burley fan and will be eager to pick your knowledge.

    I've not read your book, but apon perusing Amazon i see you give accounts of many many fights. What an extraordinary experience it would have been to witness him vs such figures as Moore, Charles and Williams to name just a few.
     
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  6. allenrosenfeld

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    Sir:

    My son in law is Australian. I'm pleased to correspond with you. And I will be delighted to discuss with you the many fascinating ringmen of that time. Lets not forget such little known gems as Holman Wiliams, Eddie Booker, Bert Lytell, Freddie Dawson and Bernard Docusen.
     
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  8. The Whaler

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    W.w.c.b.d.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    I'll be more than pleased to hear it too. First up i am very interested in the Burley - Charles fights.
     
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  10. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mr Rosenfeld,
    I am interested in the Burley/Charles fights as well...
    Also, Bernard Docusen...I've heard that he gave an excellent account of himself against Robinson, in the later's title defense.
     
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  11. red cobra

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    Senya, I must say that your knowledge of and scrutiny of these old time fighters, as well as the modern ones is impressive. Your observation of Burley's habit of jumping up while jabbing is something a sharp scout or trainer of a rival fighter would capitalize on, in a similar way that Max Schmeling noticed flaws in Joe Louis' style before he upset the Brown Bomber.
     
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  12. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mr. Rosenfeld.
    I would like to discuss what you think Burley might have accomplished in his era without his management difficulties...As if he were 'living in a perfect world' so to speak...What do you think he could have done?
    Have you also ever considered what Charley Burley would been able to accomplish in today's boxing era...Facing the best of today from welter to light heavy?
    I know the question may be farfetched, but I'm interested in your opinion(s)...I know that Burley may not have been the same fighter that he was in his own era. Burley was a fighter for his time...and I'd imagine his life experiences made him the fighter he became...The same could problably be said for Ray Robinson, being brought up in a segregated America at the time, made him a very hard and desperate man to contend with in the ring. Therefore, driving him to be sucessful,and a great fighter.
     
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  13. ThinBlack

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    Burley could beat Gavilan, about 50/50 though.
    Leonard would edge Charlie
    Burley and McCallum, 50/50, though I'd favor McCallum.
    Marvin would beat Charlie.
     
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  14. thistle1

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    though these kind of conclusions are valid and reasonably 'possible' outcomes, for me I can't shoot straight in with such certainty, and for 2 main reasons.

    1) the time & period - the Single Greatest Period in Boxing History...
    2) Burley fought Bigger Top men and is therefore proven at middleweight and beyond.

    these two points alone have got to place Burley and his kind as "Starting Favorites" against 'most' all their middleweight peers, though not necessarily guaranteing victory, but certainly strong favorites to win!
     
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  15. Vysotsky

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    Don't forget Yarosz who probably should have won the series with Conn.

    True but it was Soose's 11th pro fight, granted he did KO Risko in his 9th though.
     
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