Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Hollyfield, Lewis, Tyson

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 8, 2007.


  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    1. Holyfield
    2. Tyson
    3. Lewis
    4. Wlad
    5. Vitali
     
  2. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :yep
     
  3. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    :shock:

    I hope you are joking..... for your own sake!
     
  4. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis
    Holyfield
    Tyson
    Vit
    Wlad.

    I have Holyfield higher than all the rest p4p on account of him being the greatest Cruiserweight of all time.
     
  5. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lennox lewis would make you his ***** your a scrawny 16 year old who would cry if lewis even spoke t you.
     
  6. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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  7. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You think i can be bothered to put up all the beatings your *** hero tyson has had up it would take up about three pages.
     
  8. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    Yeah! You really sound like you knoiw what you're talking about.
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    [YT]vIECw7mKqtI[/YT] getting wrecked by another englishman:deal
     
  10. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    Just goes to prove, quality beats quantity every time.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree with some of this; I was just speaking as to your specific concerns regarding why this thread was started (i can answer them becaus I started it).
     
  12. SevenSamurai

    SevenSamurai 3 year ESB vet. Full Member

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    I will deal with each of your points in turn:

    1. If a fighter is clearly robbed of a victory through the judges, then re-working their record is not ridiculous especially when we are in process of comparing those fighters against each other. Do you agree that a fighter who wins 2 rounds of a fight does not morally deserve to be given a draw, by very well paid judges?

    2. My claim that Lewis was superior in every way, was based on the fights themselves as they played out. No one would ever say that Holyfield does not possess certain attributes which are superior to Lewis. Namely his chin which is absolute iron, and his headbutting which is an excellent offensive weapon.

    3. If two fighters fight 24 rounds, and one only wins 6 or 7 rounds of those I think that is the definition of not being competitive. Holyfield did not win enough rounds to be called competitive against Lewis.

    4. Lewis' attitude to his opponent would effect the outcome. In simple terms for you to understand, he played down to the level of his opponent and coasted when he was well ahead in the second fight because it was so easy for him against Holyfield. That gave Holyfield at least 3 or 4 rounds he would not have won otherwise.

    5. I judge performances not reputations.

    End of Lesson, class is dismissed.:deal
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You keep insisting, "two rounds, two rounds", others feel differently. I scored this fight differently from the judges. I also scored the second fight different to the judges. Other than this, i'm confused about what it is that you want.

    If you can't see "from the fights themselves" that it was Hollyfield who was able to insists upon the specific pace (ring generalship) then you have plenty to learn about the fight game.

    I do not agree with you in terms of criteria. If every one of 24 rounds goes one way but very, very,very close, then the fight is still close. Charles dominated Moore over THREE fights, and won most of the rounds, but they were very, very, very competitive. If you can't understand this, again, you have plenty to learn.

    Focus and generalship (which you have failed miserabley to understand) are both tangibles. So you are talking complete ****, i'm afraid.

    You're an idiot.
     
  14. Duchey

    Duchey New Member Full Member

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    Wlad
    Lewis
    Holy
    Tyson
    Vitali.

    Wlad first due to the fact that Lewis retired just so he didnt have to fight him. FLAME AWAY!!
     
  15. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    NO. Wlad had just been demolished by Sanders when Lewis beat Vitali in his last fight and when Lewis retired in feb 2004 Wlad was still fighting hopeless cases like Moli and Nicholson while trying to rebuild his confidence and was about to be Ko`d by Brewster.