Any MMA fighter you think have enough boxing skills to make top 20 pro boxing ranks?

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  1. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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  2. horst

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    I don't believe the best 'boxers' in MMA could be competitive with more or less any pro boxer. I have immense respect for the skill levels of MMA fighters, the way they become proficient in so many different disciplines is amazing, but boxing is a specialism and unless you dedicate yourself purely to a specialism for a long time, you are not going to have the core skills to compete with a professional specialist.

    In addition to that, the art of boxing is a completely different animal to striking with the hands in MMA. People think of them as being the same thing simply because they both involve using your arms and hands to punch, but in reality they are as distinct from each other as the difference in skills between throwing a javelin in athletics and throwing a ball in baseball. A guy who throws a javelin expertly is not expected to throw a baseball expertly, so why do people think an MMA striker is also a boxer? Two very different things. In boxing, there is a massive importance placed upon (1) the jab, (2) the defensive art of slipping and rolling punches, (3) fluid combination punching, (4) bodywork, and more, which barely exist in MMA striking, at least not to anywhere near the same extent as they do in boxing.

    MMA striking is far, far more focused on setting up the one decisive KO shot, and involves a lot more power hooks, one reason for this being that building up a points lead is not so important in a 3 round fight as it is in a 12 round fight.

    Also, counterpunching is far more viable in boxing than it is in MMA, because guys like James Toney and Floyd Mayweather can relax against the ropes and look for opportunities to counter, whereas in MMA this would be suicide as anyone who has ever wrestled would soon have you flat on your back next to the cage, which is pretty much the worst position you could ever be in.

    I could continue, because the differences between boxing and MMA striking are just so vast, but I've bored everyone enough here I think.

    Like most boxing/MMA fans understand, you put a great MMA striker in a boxing ring with a solid journeyman/fringe contender, and the great MMA striker gets his head boxed off.

    By the same token, you put a great boxer in an MMA cage, and as long as the MMA fighter has a modicum of wrestling or BJJ skills, the boxer is getting crushed before the first round is out.


    Conclusion: These are two completely different sports!! :bbb
     
  3. irishny

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    There isnt one MMA fighter out there,who would be able to hang with any top 20 guys in any division.

    Maybe if you toom someone like Arlovski and had them focus purely on Boxing for a few years,brought them along slowly,then maybe they could do something
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I don't think he can hang with a Klitschko, but James Toney may be able to make the top 20 in boxing's heavyweight division.

    Toney's not an mma fighter? I beg to differ. He's grossed nearly a million US dollars as a professional mixed martial artist.

    Alright, I cheated. The answer is no one.
     
  5. hidden10

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    :scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas: sorry man but there is a one and a million chance that any mma fighter can beat a Klitschko for a round let alone a fight:patsch
     
  6. Greco

    Greco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    None of the fighters in MMA would make it against Wladimir Klitschko in a boxing match. Fedor is a great fighter but if he was having trouble with Arlovski's boxing then he would get completely handled by Klitschko.
     
  7. moreorless

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    If were talking top 20 by weightclass then I could perhaps see someone like Overeem getting into the top 20 at HW given the lack of depth these days.

    Really though I think the misunderstanding many boxing fans make about MMA is the belief that its a self contained style. In reality MMA is still very much a transitional sport, you see someone with high level skills in one area and 9 times out of 10 that person had a high level background in that area pre MMA.

    The reason why "MMA fighters" have sucess in sports such as K1 and ADCC is that many of them have previous backgrounds in those sports, you stick Brock Lesnar in a K1 ring and the results would be embarrising. Very few boxers have crossed over to MMA though and those who have are generally not that great so theres no talent pool to cross back.
     
  8. Slacker

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    No. Most successful pro boxers have been training specifically on boxing since they were young.

    Many had long amateur careers.

    UFC meatheads jump off a football field and into a gym for two years and are suddenly world class fighters? Uhmmm, no.

    Go youtube Anderson Silva boxing. There is some footage. He looks like ****. Guard wide open, arm punches. Its horrendous.
     
  9. Boinko

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    Firstly, the vast majority of MMA fighters don't have a solid background in boxing. They may have some boxing ability, but they haven't trained like a pure boxer has. Most top boxers started training in their teens.
    Secondly, MMA fighters have boxing trainers, but that part of their training only takes up a portion of their time, since there are other areas to focus on. How could they ever become world class at boxing when they don't dedicate their time to it fully?

    Most MMA fans (well, the ones on this site at least) have always acknowledged that MMA fighters wouldn't fare well in boxing matches against top boxers. It's an argument that only seems to exist among MMA haters who seem to think MMA fans hold grandiose ideas about their fighter's boxing abilities. We don't. This argument is old and has been settled long ago.
     
  10. Boy Toy

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    None that I can think of. But who knows...Fedor, Cain, or Overreem could always land a lucky, stiff right and put Wlad out. Upsets happen in boxing too.
     
  11. One Punch KO

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    AWESUM ITS BOXING VS MMA GUYZ WHO WUD WIN??

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  12. Will Cooling

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    There's plenty I think COULD have been good boxers if they had gone into it - patricularly Carwin who just has freaky power and without the pressure to bulk for his wrestling would probably have decent stamina as a 240 heavyweight. Of guys who could cross over now, I'd really like to see if Overeem could become a three-sport champion. Hell Haye vs. Overeem would be a pretty fun fight...probably a lot better than what we're going to get.
     
  13. moreorless

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    In terms of amature boxing expereince Lil Nog, Mousasi and Sergei are probabley the best MMA has to offer.

    Rogerio got a silver at the pan ams, Sergei at the central asian games and Mousasi was dutch amature champ.
     
  14. Stoo

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    I love it when these threads get moved from the general
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  15. SouthpawSlayer

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    with serious training there would be quite a few