Could Fedor make 205, and be strong/comfortable/healthy there?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Feb 13, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    What do you think? :bbb


    If Fedor chooses to keep fighting, Dan Henderson is in the division below him... :bbb
     
  2. Big T

    Big T Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Been at HW for so long don't think he could. He has been pudgy looking in the last few fights and he dose have some wieght he can cut. But what would that cut do to him. I don't think size was the factor in his loss. Will keep saying age and not fighting a few times a year has cought up to him
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    No. Fedor is a heavyweight. He has had an UNPARALLELED career there. He lost because of a serious injury. Not because he's too small for heavy. He's ALWAYS been a small heavyweight. There's no need to change a recipe that has been ridiculously successful for a decade.
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Absolutely no doubt about it. If he ate right and trained right then he could make 205 no problem. He doesn't want to eat right and he just wants to do the usual stone throwing etc

    Fedor is quite a fat man and can make 230. He could easily lose 20 pounds of fat if he chose to.
     
  5. horst

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    I'm not saying he is too small for heavyweight, I'm suggesting another option for him, as most fighters do look for another option when their career suffers a couple of setbacks. BJ Penn could still make 155, but after the Edgar fights he needed some fresh motivation and direction, so he went to 170 for a high-profile fight with Hughes.

    If Fedor doesn't want to retire and if he feels he could indeed comfortably make 205, he (like many) may see the interest in testing himself at 205.

    Fighting a fellow legend like Henderson would be huge box-office, and the new weight class may give him a new lease of life. And he may just fancy being the naturally bigger man in the cage for once!!

    It's just an idea. Probably won't happen.
     
  6. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    I dont think he should move down in weight, I thought if fedor won this tournament he should retire, I thought if he lost tonight he should retire.

    Fedor has been looking bad in his last fights... probably since the Arlovski fight.
     
  7. JerseySam

    JerseySam New Member Full Member

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    While Fedor certainly has a few extra pounds he can easily lose, getting down to 205 might be a stretch. At his age, and seemingly losing some fire, I'd say he should retire.

    Fedor was one of the best MMA fighters I've ever seen, but he's under-sized in this era of monstrous HW's. I don't know if prime Fedor does any better against a fit *280* pound (what the telecast said he weighed before fight) Silva who has half a foot on him too.

    Just like boxing's situation with ever-growing HW's, a 'Super HW' division might not be a bad idea.
     
  8. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    I think fedor would have beat antonio silva easily in his prime years ago, he wasnt the same fighter tonight.

    Moving down in weight is just a temporary fix, fedor shouldnt need the money. Why put his body through the turmoil at his age.

    He should just retire before he takes a real beating.
     
  9. TheBradyHawkes

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    He's the greatest HW of all time, so I can't see him bothering to try and compete at 205. He'd most likely just retire than do that. As has been mentioned, it's not his size that's the problem. Age and inactivity have been his worst enemy.
     
  10. horst

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    I agree that prime Fedor beats Silva conclusively. Silva is obviously better than the monstrous guys that Fedor beat back in the day - Schilt, Choi, even Sylvia. But the Fedor who gave beatings to Big Nog and Crocop 2003-2005 was another level of fighter entirely to Silva.
     
  11. horst

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    Never underestimate a fighter's desire to keep going though. Roy Jones had won titles at mw, smw, lhw AND hw, and was sitting on a 48-1 record (the only loss being a DQ which he avenged by 1st round KO), before he inexplicably chose to go back down and campaign at lhw again. It may not be logical, it may not be rational and it may not be smart, but you can't write it off entirely just yet.
     
  12. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    Im not sure that Antonio Silva is better than Tim Sylvia. I also think that the fedor that fought Tim would have beaten Silva.

    This version of fedor had ring rust, age, and wear and tear going against him. And as Overeem said didnt seem very motivated
     
  13. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Super HW division is a terrible idea. The GOAT at HW is Fedor and he is a LHW.

    Fedor spent years beating guys of all shapes and sizes.

    I think the telecast said he was 285 pounds.
     
  14. JerseySam

    JerseySam New Member Full Member

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    I really think even a motivated 34 year old Fedor is simply too small in frame to threaten (relative to his past dominance) decently skilled 275+ pound fighters that run well over 6 ft. Weight becomes more relative as you move up the scale for sure, but even at HW being under 6ft and looking pudgy in frame to make 225-230 vs. guys who average 6'2+ 270+ with fit frames is something of a mismatch.

    As said above, Fedor will always been one of the best to me. But HW's have gotten both bigger and more skilled (to go with that size) over the last 5-6 years at a rapid rate. Fedor has chopped a few giants down before, but they were of the (to use a boxing ref.) 'Valuev' style circus freak variety. Not very fit, and not very skilled. I think Fedor of 5 years ago has a solid chance to beat Silva because he's faster, better with his hands fighting inside, and quicker with transition submission-shoots. But the HW Fedor of yesterday does not dominate today's giant HW's as he was accustomed too.
     
  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    When he was in HERO's he used to come in at 300lbs plus. As there was no ceiling limit. He also competed over here in the UK fighting out of Wolfs Lair at Super Heavy. It was only when he came to the US he had to make 265lbs. Odd to think that despite suffering from Giganticism he was busted for hormone use when he was in EliteXC.