HBO paid more for Dzinziruk's purse than for Montiel-Donaire...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by el mosquito, Feb 16, 2011.


  1. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hbo did offer arum good money enough for him not to put his fighters in the tourney 9which gives two paydays) and enough for him not to do his own ppv.they still overpay berto
     
  2. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    Arum said he will still do business with HBO but HBO needs to pay more attention and treat him with respect. HBO used to favor Haymon and GBP, give them most TV dates, pay millions of dollars for license fee for the likes of Dawson, Berto, Ortiz etc, even grant them (GBP) exclusive output deals. On the other hand Arum would have to line up for dates and HBO wouldn't buy his fights that he is selling for a bargain (Cotto-Martirosyan was offered for 1.5$M and that fight had the makings of a great fight, one of the best HBO could get in 2011. They also offered $3M for Cotto-Berto but the TV date was named for Berto thus giving Berto the leverage to ask for the bigger purse-in a way indirectly telling TR fighters to leave Arum if they want better deals). Arum gave them a warning by moving Cotto and JuanMa Lopez to Showtime, HBO didn't budge. Arum laid down his last card and went to CBS-Showtime for Pac-Mosley. HBO President Richard Plepler reportedly had to give HBO Sports head Ross Greenburg a a good drubbing and ordered him to schedule a meeting with Arum lol.
     
  3. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    The fact that fraud Bertoe gets twice as much as these 2 p4p fighters is ****ing disgusting
     
  4. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some of you guys need to learn how business works.

    HBO is paying a relatively cheap purse out for these two guys and they both accepted it and we are seeing the fight, so what's the big issue? If HBO would have paid a penny more then it's a bad business deal for them since the fighters clearly would have accepted less.

    It's all about supply and demand, leverage and positioning.

    HBO wanted Dzinziruk to fight Martinez and with the fight date rapidly approaching, Dzin's management gave HBO a number and they accepted it.

    Two totally different scenarios.

    The reason why guys like Berto are paid more is because they are managed and promoted better, end of story.
     
  5. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Its not all good business from HBO , or they wouldnt have taken away Cotto's date , thus losing Pacquiao !!!!

    There seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding for who and what holds the most value in broadcasting world championship boxing from HBO's end , thats not referring to the small fee paid for Montiel - Donaire in comparision to Dzin or Berto's pay cheque's from HBO , its just a general observation !!!
     
  6. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Thanks for the input

    :good
     
  7. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but everyone here is quick to jump all over HBO recently for every decision that they make. Now they are being criticized for underpaying Donaire and Montiel. What would you do, pay $10 or $15 for the same product? If you could pay $10, you would and HBO clearly got good value out of this deal and the fighters were willing to take it.

    We should all be happy here.

    If the fight is good, both stand to make good money for future fights especially the winner.
     
  8. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    :yep:yep berto sold 947 tickets in his fight with Quintana. No one wanted to see them. Tarver-Dawson got paid $3M and they even had a rematch after a boring fight, they didn't sell half of a small casino for both fights lol. Bradley-Alexander stank in Detroit and that was billed as a superfight that could cost HBO 25% of its boxing budget for 2011.:patsch

    It wasn't supply and demand. It was boxing politics. Dzinziruk got his purse because his promoter also promotes Alexander. And HBO/Kerry Davis had got a big hard on for his overhyped name. Al Haymon is a concert promoter and he has names like Beyonce and Chris Brown under his agency and he uses that to make money out of boxing.

    They were paying millions for stinkers, they even spend more to hype these stinkers than they spend for other deserving boxers. they make an artificial market and fortunately what they do bites them back in the ass when the stinkers got exposed
     
  9. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some fair points but HBO clearly can't win around here with anything that they do. They are bringing us a great fight and are still being criticized, that's all I'm saying.
     
  10. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    You clearly know a lot of how HBO conduct there business in terms of broadcasting live boxing , as in securing contracts with promoters for showcasing there fighters .....................

    Have they made any fundamental changes to there team in the light of the Arum debacle ????
     
  11. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It will be hard fix it with Arum. They made their bed with GBP, all because they built their house on a deck of cards based on Mayweather fighting. Since he ain't fighting, well they got jack **** for this.

    The only big boy in the game atm is Pac, and HBO is fast learning that all roads go thru Pac for now. The CBS deal is a one fight deal, giving HBO some time to come up with a package to get Arum back. Though seeing as how HBO only has 25m subscribers versus CBS' 115m... and with CBS flexing their network muscle to get Arum primetime status the deck is stacked against HBO.
     
  12. natep

    natep Boxing Addict Full Member

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    - True, but what peopel are saying is that Montiel and Donaire are both more deserving than Dzinziruk and Berto combined.

    - Supply and demand? Who wanted Dzinziruk vs Martinez or Hernandez vs Berto? Not a damn person. Quite the contrary on Montiel vs Donaire which people have been demanding for quite a few years now.

    - That is what people don't like about HBO. They demand fights that make no sense. Again, the public was not demanding Martinez vs Dzinziruk

    - Berto gets paid more not because he is promoted better because he can't sell any tickets. His management (Haymon) has enormous influence on the HBO boxing department.
     
  13. Ring Master

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    :deal
     
  14. Bodysnatcher

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  15. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pedro, come on bro :blood

    I just think we all need to stop crying, be happy that HBO is bringing us a fight that ALL of us want to see and be happy that we have two networks competing against each other to bring us the biggest and baddest fights.

    Competition is good and we don't have to pick sides :deal