what can cotto do to be at floyds level without actually beating floyd?

nothing, i dont think Cotto can ever really get to Mayweathers level.
he cant move divisions like PBF did, he wont beat the fighters PBF did and wont have the longetivity.

Even beating PBF may not get him to that level....

Tarver KOing RJJ didnt get him there...

 

Fight Margarito, Williams, Mosley and PBF and beat them all . . . he'll get more respect than PBF . . . but being on PBF's level? That's impossible in terms of accomplishment, being a five divisional title holder is beyond Cotto's reach at this point.

 

why is everyone measuring divisions?!

seriously, didn't Oscar get 6? So is floyd not on Oscars level? That's dumb. The amount of divisions isn't the big deciding factor. The level of competition is. And if Cotto clears out welter right now and beats the man at 140 and 154 he will be on floyds level at the very least.

 

spoken like a true floyd *** dumbass.
i knew hattons not in floyds class,but moseley matches him;speed reflexes,punch variety,movement,edge in power.not as adept defensively but he doesnt base his style on fighting that way.
the guys who beat moseley floyd wouldnt touch with a bargepole,so thats no referance point either.you think floyd would get much joy out of winky?no fukin chance..

 

I think Cotto suits Welter just fine anything else he can't handle to me...140 is too low and with his chin 154 is not where he should be.

I think He should just dominate Welter..collect all the belts defend them numerous times and he would definitely be argued on that level.

On Floyd's level no...he doesn't posess the tools.

 

Are you reffering to my post? :think

Didn't you read the part that says "in terms of accomplishment"? Yeah Oscar has 6 and PBF has 5 . . . so in terms of accomplishment . . . PBF is still not in the level of DLH. Very simple.

That's why I'm saying if Cotto fights, Margarito, Willaims, Mosley and DLH and beat them he can be bigger in terms stature and respect.

 

It's not that simple. Oscar was a 135 lb. fighter when he went down in weight and won a bogus WBO 130 lb. title. Hea won a very controverisal decision at 160 to win another bogus WBO title. He also lost a couple of times before even became a 5, and eventually 6, division champ. Meanwhile, Floyd won the official belt in 5 divisions, he never went down in weight to win a title, and he never lost on his way to being a 5 division champ.

 

LOL. i wasn't directly picking on you but thought i read the division thing a couple of times throughout the thread.

But seriously the amount of weight divisions means next to nothing with all the divisions today. Level of competition should matter more than anything.

And since we on it now. They way you mention "accomplishment" sounds too much like better career. So that would be my only beef. If divisions were the way a fighters career is too be judged then they would all fight in as many divisions as they possibly could.

 

AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!! with as much tin out there nowadays the tin means crap. Did floyd fight the best welters out there (if he stays retired)??

It's that simple. The answer is no and he he only fought once at 154 and didn't fight the best at 140 either.

I'm trying to make the case for level of competition as opposed to weight divisions where fighters picked up some tin. or the amount of tin they pick up.

 

On my part . . . it's just that when we talk of level . . . realistically it means two things. It's the level of respect and stature or the level of accomplishment . . . so I made the distinction to avoid confussion.

:hey :good

 

no biggie. i was actually thinking "level" as status as a fighter. So your "respect and stature" and was not even thinking accomplishment as in terms of weight divisions belts were won in.

 

Separate the HYPE and the hating dude. I'm not an Oscar NUTHUGGER.

You can always make a case of Oscar winning 6 bogus titles in different divisions but officially it still goes down the book. It's already part of boxing history.

 

His level of opposition is still better than Cotto's. People keep talking about Floyd cleaning out 147, but this isn't even his natural weight class. And he can't beat the best at 147 because he is the best at 147. When he entered the weight class Judah was the best guy in the division. Cotto didn't enter the division until after Floyd fought Baldo, and Williams and Cintron just started building up their names

 

My only point was that more doesn't neccesarily mean more accomlished.

 

Like I said . . . irregardless how we whine about it, that still goes as accomplishment and will always be considered to dettermine these fighters' place in the history book.