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For those that think Mayweather would beat Cotto easily: Slap yourselves.

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Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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delwin said:

YO FORGOT ANOTHER ADVANTAGE THAT COTTO HAS OVER MAYWEATHER.... COTTO IS NOT AFRAID OF MAYWEATHER, MAYWEATHER IS AFRAID OF COTTO
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did pbf tell you that??

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delwin said:

YO FORGOT ANOTHER ADVANTAGE THAT COTTO HAS OVER MAYWEATHER.... COTTO IS NOT AFRAID OF MAYWEATHER, MAYWEATHER IS AFRAID OF COTTO
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The problem with this advantage is that you just made it up, and have no real basis for this argument.

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I agree if Mayweather is gonna win this one he will have to go through hell much worser then Hatton.

knockout, Dec 11, 2007

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cotto vs mayweather will equal jones vs tarver all you same clowns probably had jones posters hanging in your bedroom he gets knocked out so youswitch to the new aerobics instructor gayrunner get real p4p is a joke its all hypothesis you cant just say mayweather is better and expect people to believe it there is always someone out there who has your number some guys like mayweather just wont look for the challenge maybe he believes after the first loss everyone will feel he was exposed

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jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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Some of you supposed analysts are going out of your way to say that Floyd would easily beat Cotto, mainly based off what I'm assuming you saw against Hatton, which coincidently wasn't very much if you're coming to this conclusion.

Hatton and Cotto have 2 similiarities, they are both natural pressure fighters, and they both often win fights by breaking their opponent down with a volume of punches, especially to the body.

That's where the comparison stops.

Cotto has something that Hatton doesn't, and its not just size and strength which has been reitirated to no end on this board as the only advantage Cotto has over Hatton.

What is it?

It's the ability to deliver intelligent pressure.

Why wasn't Hatton doing this? Well for one, Floyd's six inch reach advantage and Hatton's lack of explosiveness might have had something to do with this, but this is only a portion of the problem.

Hatton was coming in without throwing the jab, and he was going straight in, almost squared up.

The most important thing you can do against a good boxer, such as Floyd is to come in at an angle while throwing a jab.

If you go straight in, Floyd will t-off on your face with a straight right hand. Hatton was doing this all night.

Do you think the outcome would be any different if than what happened with Floyd if Hatton faced Mosley or even Judah, (substituting a straight left)?

Why do you think it is that Hatton has been avoiding boxers in his division?

At the same time, Cotto has been actively pursuing them. He's fought Malinaggi, (when he doesn't brawl, possibly the closest thing to Floyd above 140), Judah, (arguably one of the most dangerous fighters there is for the first 6 rounds), and Mosley, (a very dangerous, well rounded, boxer with the ability to slug).

That's probably the best possible lineup that you could encouter in preperation for Floyd.

In the meantime, since Kosta, Hatton has been fighting mostly swarmers and sluggers, but no one really threatened to outbox him.

Why is this important? Well, if you gotta ask this question, you should probably just go ahead and slap yourself now.

For those of ya'll with an imprint of your hand on your face, this is important because Cotto has the experience of what to do against slick boxers.

Haven't you noticed the improvement in his jab? How often was Cotto getting tagged with FLUSH straight right hands against Mosley, and straight lefts against Judah?

He wasn't, and why? Because he coming in at angles and using the jab/double jab to keep his opponent on the defensive and off balance.

This is by far the most important aspect of how to approach fighting a skilled boxer, especially one like Floyd. You can't expect to come straight in or he's going to knock your head off and look spectacular in the process.

BUT, since we're on it, Cotto has more than just that.

Cotto doesn't rely on smothering his opponent and throwing a punch and clinching/wrestling like Hatton does, but Cotto gets his distance and throws some fluid combinations.

How many combinations did you see Hatton throw against Floyd? Exactly.

Hatton failed to get the distance that was necessary to deliver these combinations. It's really not his style anyway, as his is punch, grab, keep the distance close.

While Cotto will want to stay on the inside, (and he'll do much better than Hatton because of the above mentioned reasons), he'll do MUCH MUCH better on the outside due to his approach which was adapted from his experience with top boxers.

So who will win this fight?

That's a question you need to ask yourself, but for ya'll that think Floyd will in easily need to slap yourselves, TWICE.

Floyd is a great boxer, but he wants to retire from the game, not get retired.

And even if he beats Cotto, he WILL take a beating.

Cotto ain't Hatton and Floyd knows it.
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Some of you people make me laugh with the notion of Floyd knocking Cotto out. It is really comical to tell you the truth.

1st off Hatton 5'6 very small with a very small reach was attempting to beat Floyd by completely out muscling Floyd with his brute power. Didn't work. Why? because it is a wreckless style one where Saftey is the last thing on your mind.

There isn't 1 fight that Cotto has fought like that in his entire career. Maybe some of you shouldn't talk expecially if you haven't seen much of Cotto's career. I bet some of you are making assumptions off Cotto's 3 last fights, pretty funny. I'd go just as far enough to say that Cotto has just as much ring smarts as Floyd Mayweather with the obvious exception of raw athletic ability.

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Isn't Cotto just about the same size as Hatton?

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Cotto has bigger dimensions and is a little bit taller

jecxbox, Dec 11, 2007

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capfunds said:

I hate to say it, but Floyd is a very good fighter.

I wouldn't mind it if Cotto fought DLH.

Honestly, I still think that DLH-PBF could have been a draw, so it's not like DLH is an easy fight.

Personally, I think now is the time for Cotto to go after PBF because I think he's gotten all the preperation that he needs, but if he fights DLH, I'm not upset about it.

Floyd said that he's retiring anyway, so he probably needs some time to think things over before getting in the ring with Cotto.
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Floyd thinking about retiring because of his body and hands breaking down. NOt because of Cotto, smack yourself! I would love to see those to fight. I pick Floyd by UD, possible late TKO. The game plan will be great for Cotto, better believe.

Alo2006, Dec 11, 2007

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It doesn't matter if you fight squared up with a lack of defense it doesn't matter if you're 6 feet tall. Perfect Example = Floyd vs Corrales. Corrales fought as squared up as you possibly could fight and he was 6 feet tall, and he still got peppered by Floyd. The problem is when a 6 foot guy has a long reach and fights on a ****ing angle (god forbid southpaw paul williams).

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Why would anyone not want to fight Oscar De La Hoya? It only means the biggest payday of a fighter's career. Mayweather says he's retired - so go after the biggest cash cow out there - then after a victory - you have the world stage to call out Mayweather.

But - no - I don't think Cotto can beat Mayeather.

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jecxbox said:

It doesn't matter if you fight squared up with a lack of defense it doesn't matter if you're 6 feet tall. Perfect Example = Floyd vs Corrales. Corrales fought as squared up as you possibly could fight and he was 6 feet tall, and he still got peppered by Floyd. The problem is when a 6 foot guy has a long reach and fights on a ****ing angle (god forbid southpaw paul williams).
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Paul Williams probably has the best chance to offset Mayweather out of everyone in the division. Long, rangy fighters always give the pure boxer/punchers trouble.

sugarngold, Dec 11, 2007

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mr. magoo said:

Well, apparently Cotto is campaigning for a fight with Oscar De la hoya, instead of Mayweather, so what does that tell you?
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For ****s sake people, Floyd said he is taking time off of the sport! And if he was to call out Floyd then everyone would accuse the guy of calling him out when Floyd obviously isn't going to take any fights. Just can't win....:-(

cardstars, Dec 11, 2007

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delwin said:

YO FORGOT ANOTHER ADVANTAGE THAT COTTO HAS OVER MAYWEATHER.... COTTO IS NOT AFRAID OF MAYWEATHER, MAYWEATHER IS AFRAID OF COTTO
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Nice opinion :roll:

Alo2006, Dec 11, 2007

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sugarngold said:

Why would anyone not want to fight Oscar De La Hoya? It only means the biggest payday of a fighter's career. Mayweather says he's retired - so go after the biggest cash cow out there - then after a victory - you have the world stage to call out Mayweather.

But - no - I don't think Cotto can beat Mayeather.
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:good Agree 100%. Although im still undecided on who wins this fight,,,,its much closer than people realize imo

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