Heavyweight Tournament with a Twist: Quarter Finals (Fitzsimmons/Tyson)

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  1. Duranium

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    What are you saying 'come up to scratch, GayBooze? If Tyson punches Fitz knocking him out, then Fitz awakens 10 minutes later and gets stretchered off to hospital, that Tyson doesnt win the fight?
     
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  2. TBooze

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    If Fitzsimmons does not come up to scratch, then Tyson wins.

    And if you do not know what coming up to scratch is, then you do not understand LPR.

    Using the phrase Knock out as well, kind of shows your lack of knowledge of LPR too boot.

    You need to understand, to be a good London Prize fighter you need excellent wrestling skills, strong hands (not necessarily powerful), and brilliant stamina and toughness.

    Tyson's dynamic punches are not going to work under LPR. He will have to straighten them up, and put less power in them, so as to give him less chance of breaking his hands. He would need to learn how to you use his low centre of gravity to throw fighters, and he would also have to learn how to inflict damage in a clinch.

    Tyson could do that, but there are plenty of other candidates who would not need to make as many adjustments as Tyson.
     
    TBooze, Mar 13, 2011
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  3. Duranium

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    GayBooze, stop beating around the ****ing bush being a smart ass and avoiding the question. When Tyson hits him knocking him out, and Fitzsimmons is laid out for 10 minutes, does Tyson not win the fight??
     
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  4. TBooze

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    If Fitzsimmons does not come up to scratch, Tyson would win, I just said that. You are using an American Queensberry Rules term, for a London Prize fight, you do not win by Knockout in London Prize fighting.

    If I picked up the ball and ran in a Football match, and then placed the ball between the goal, I would not of scored a try...
     
    TBooze, Mar 13, 2011
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  5. Duranium

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    If Tyson punches Fitzsimmons with his fists, knocking him out, rendering him unconcious, and Fitzsimmons is knocked out, unconcious, for 10 minutes...does Tyson not win under LPR?
     
    Duranium, Mar 13, 2011
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  6. janitor

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    He wins, but not by knockout.
     
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  7. TBooze

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    As mentioned by Janitor, if Fitzsimmons is not up to scratch, Tyson wins.
     
    TBooze, Mar 13, 2011
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  8. PowerPuncher

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    We are getting caught up in terminology quite a bit here, a KO is a KO albeit under another name.

    Yes the skillset demands are somewhat different but in essense all the competitors have the same problems to overcome

    BTW statements like 'You need excellent stamina' - make me question if you've boxed, you need excellent stamina and/or efficiency as a boxer period and the best all have good stamina

    What should be noted is LPR practisioners don't seem to be masters of their craft either. There is little reference to striking/chopping with the side of their hand or the base of the palm, which would bring powerful strikes into play that the fist doesn't allow. From the ruleset I'm assuming these strikes are legal??
     
    PowerPuncher, Mar 13, 2011
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  9. Duranium

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    Does 'up to scratch' roughly translate to being 'knocked out' ?
     
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  10. TBooze

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    That would of gone down as chicanery, and would be called a foul.
     
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  11. TBooze

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    No.
     
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  12. janitor

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    Such blows were used extensivley.

    Fighters of that period were also verry creative in using illegal blows. Then as now, it was only a foul if the reff saw it.

    Fighters wore boots with metal spikes on the bottom, to prevent them from slipping on the mud and would use them to gouge at an opponents leg.
     
    janitor, Mar 13, 2011
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  13. PowerPuncher

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    Janitor seems to think otherwise, its not classed as a foul, neither are elbows/forearms strikes which would make good hook/overhand substitutes protecting the hands. Eye gauging seems legal too

    I have to say QR is certainly the gentlemanly ruleset
     
    PowerPuncher, Mar 14, 2011
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  14. eslubin

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    Tyson would waste Ftiz!

    Tyson made the lubin all-time battle royal:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TroTAs25RkU[/ame]

    www.youtube.com/eslubin
     
    eslubin, Mar 14, 2011
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  15. TBooze

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    Janitor points out it happened. And of course if you can get away with it, it is not cheating or as it was put in the rules, chicanery (my new favourite word!:D).
     
    TBooze, Mar 14, 2011
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