i find it funny when haters want to put Pac against fighters who bulk up to super middleweights or bigger just to see the man get beaten. Why not tell Martinez to fight guys bigger than him, let's say fight someone who weighs 187 on fight night and him at 170? will he take that risk? Let him 'cherry pick'.
He says that his limit because with his attitude if Martinez went up to 168 he would be fighting the best as he tends to do. YOu think he is gonna go up to 168 and fight a hand picked opponent?? 168 is loaded with the most talent in boxing. Those guys are tough tough opponents. Martinez would not be fighting the Margaritos of 168.
If Sergio is given a chance to fight someone (top guys) at 171 lbs catch weight for the light heavyweight title, will he take the risk? or slug it out with the likes of Hopkins or Pascal?
so who should have pac fought at welter or light middle if not for cotto, clottey and margo? don't tell me floyd coz we all know that he is not interested in fighting. pac had already relinquished his light middleweight belt. it's a sign that he is feeling the shot of an opponent who outweighs him by 17 pounds, much more if his opponent would outweigh him 22 or more pounds. if pac fought martinez at 154 or a160 and martinez would stop the little man, would you be satisfied that a bg p4p fighter had just stopped a small p4p fighter? you must have enjoyed the floyd-jmm match-up if your answer is yes.
See thats the difference between JMM and Pac. Pac fights hand picked opponents where he needs to have an advantage going into the fight. JMM just straight up dared to be great even with everything against him and he failed. No shame in that. Just look at how people react to Pacs weight climb. Always make it out to be something great when in reality they were very well calculated weight jumps. JMM on the other hand in every one of his weight climbs has faced the linear champ at every class or concenssus peoples champ. MAB at 130 who had beaten Morales and was the ruler of the division Casamayor at 135 who was the lineal champ PBF at 147 who was the lineal champ also No catch weight no nothing. Just straight up fight to see whos better.
i'm asking you about the martinez-pacquiao fight scenario and you bring up jmm instead? ok i will still answer your post glorifying jmm. jmm jumped up to welter to fight floyd at catchweight of 144. so if you will blast pac about catchweights, jmm is guilty of that as well. too bad that he was duped by floyd and was prostituted by his own promoter oscar. jmm fighting casamayor at 135 was not the big fight knowing that he should have lost to santa cruz and have strugged against katsidis. ok so now please answer my question about pac fighting someone who would outweigh him by at least 22 pounds on fight night. jmm was even complaining against floyd that he feels that floyd had 20 pounds on him, so would you blame pac if he would no longer fight at light middle?
Well then isn't it curious how Pacquiao has won more lineal titles than anybody in the history of boxing? :huh:huh
indeed. 112: sasakul 126: barrera 130: jmm 140: hatton pac should have cherry-picked shot casamayor that time and it would be 5-time lineal champ.
If he wants to be p4p number 1 i would. i say do a pac move, wait for the super six to finish fight the runner up at a catchweight so say froch at 165. Win the fight and get ready to declare yourself the best fighter on the planet.:thumbsup
nobody even considered that pac is now with showtime and martinez is HBO's newest darling. therefore, how can a fight between them be made even @154 assuming that martinez can still make that weight? the more feasible fight is mayweather-martinez @154, both still being hbo fighters. also, their sizes are closer with mayweather giving up around 10 lbs. compared to pac who is smaller by 20 or so lbs. to martinez.
Not likely. Casamayor had just upset Katisidis and looked like a beast doing it. David Diaz was the much safer fight. The real challenges at LW were Campbell and Casamayor but they were tearing **** up at the class so going up to fight them wasnt very smart. Did you also know that Soto was pissed Arum called off his Diaz fight since he wanted Pac to pick up that title and he knew Soto was gonna take that title from Diaz and would be a much tougher fight for Pac. Like i have said it was carefully planned out. all the weight jumps were.
pac did not declare himself as the best fighter on the planet, the people did as oppose to floyd saying he is the best ever on his own. why, is the floyd move of retiring when a perceive threat is coming not effective and taking a small man into your weight class not a sure move to make get the top p4p slot?
No disrespect to JMM I like the guy, but risk taking my ass. He fights as many come-forward boxers as Pac. MAB gave him hell. He took a Chris John fight he had no business taking. His nedurance has gotten him this far as much as his "technical" and "risk taking". His risk taking is nowhere close to Pac, hell even Cotto.
if you're really interested in enhancing jmm's legacy, you will convince him to finally move up to 140 and take on guys like khan, bradley and maidana. jmm is already overstaying @135 and just taking on b-level titleholders/contenders there for chump change. the higher level guys as well as the big money fights are @140 and above now. and getting a 4th weight division title will make him the first and only mexican to do that. he will certainly be ranked above both barrera and morales if he does this.
casamayor struggled in that fight against a limited katsidis. he even looked stupid being floored outside the ring. casa was shot to pieces by that time and it was his skill that let him survive through katisidis. are you even saying that he won against santa cruz? the same guy that david diaz knocked-out? GBP's judges gifted casa that retained him his lineal title. so please explain how pac fighting oscar, hatton and cotto are all carefully planned out? oscar was the one who cherry-picked pacquao, same case as floyd cherry-picked jmm. hatton was the best 140 and undefeated at the weight when pac fought him. cotto, asking for a 145 catch is understandable since he just weighed 138 on his previous fight.