Dan Rafeal's div. ratings are garbage

Raphael just likes attention.

If you take part in his web chats, he abuses/calls out Pacquiao all the time. What's more, he talks a lot about how great Mayweather really is.

I was part of one once, where he was claiming that Mayweather would "school" a peak Trinidad at 147, and he's virtually unbeatable there.................

Go on to his blog, or his rankings, and he won't say a bad word about Pacquiao. And spends his entire time trashing Mayweather.

You know - truth is - the guy wants to go to fights, and get treated like a rock star. He doesn't want to go, and get abuse.

So he does the populist stuff............

 

What I'm saying is, if you read the rankings, he's even more abusive of Pacquiao's 2011 than he is Mayweathers

But he keeps Pacquiao 1, and demotes Mayweather...............

What I'm saying is, he wimped out.

Martinez is his number 1. It's perfectly obvious when you read it

 

Remember though, this is a guy who named Sam Peter as his best prospect one year.

He has no boxing knowledge.

 

I like the guy he says whats on his mind and doesnt really ride hype trains.

Also he is human. There is no such thing as a perfect boxing analyst.

As far as PBF schooling trinidad. Come on dude Trinidad was a beast but when he faced slick defensive fighters he hardly won a round.

I see PBF beating him 8-4 or 9-3. And i think thats being generous to Tito.
Its not a knock on Tito its just that style wise this is the worst type of match up for him.

 

While Rafael's rankings are often suspect and certainly not the gospel some ignorant "freaks" make them out to be, that particular decision is justified.

It's a bit mind-boggling that you'd think Abraham should be over Stieglitz, actually.

Regardless of whether you think Stieglitz is a strong champion, the fact is that he did win a world title and defend it three times - soon to be four - in two years. Two of his opponents were decent (Balszay, who he won the title from and Ornelas, his last defense against whom he survived some hairy moments). The other two were just OK, nothing special.

That is still a MUCH better couple of years at 168 lbs than Abraham has had. Abraham has had exactly 4 fights at super middleweight in that same span of time (the Miranda rematch back in '08 doesn't count...that was a catchweight bout :deal). A win over a shot Taylor - whatever. Ass kicked by Dirrell before stupidly DQing himself. Ass kicked brutally by Froch. Lost the first round to fringe contender Bozic before a fluke injury stoppage.

THAT is a better run at SMW, in your opinion? Sounds like nuthugger talk to me.

At no point in time did Abraham EVER belong in the SMW top ten. Was Taylor in the SMW top ten when Abraham knocked him out? No? Well, then how the **** does Abraham belong to have been ranked there when that was his only win at the weight up until last month (when he picked up a fluke win over someone else who wasn't even close to top ten)?

Stieglitz at #8 is very reasonable. He isn't anywhere near the level of the likes of Bute, Ward, or Froch - but is a reigning titlist taking on average or better opposition and that warrants recognition and is more impressive than Abraham's campaign...by FAR.

 

Undefeated Karoly Balszay is a better win than shot Taylor and Bozic combined.

It sounds like you basically just don't know anything about the European scene. That doesn't mean Stieglitz doesn't belong in the top ten; it means you've got some boning up to do. :good

#8 is not too high for what he's done. SMW is not a terribly deep division outside the Super Six (and not even all the participants; just Froch and Ward really) and Bute.

Abraham was a MW champ and if he still fought at 160 would deserve a high ranking, even if he'd vacated or lost his belt. At SMW he has done nothing. Stieglitz has done a bit more than nothing. Easy enough to figure out.

 

Dan Rafael is a junk food and child porn addict

 

Yep. Not sure why anyone takes him seriously. Also Love Child was a prospect of the year as well.

 

Well, not so much Peter...but Julio was a good prospect (especially six years ago). He just didn't fully live up to it - which does happen with prospects.


WTF is going on this thread? How the hell do I (one of his major critics on ESB) wind up defending Rafael's position left and right? :blood

 

Because for the most part it's people who get oversensitive when he criticizes their favorite fighter.

Edit: Also I've noticed that the sport of boxing, which is filled with some of the toughest guys around has the biggest baby fans of any sport.

 

I know little. Good to know. I'll work on that.

Depth doesn't have anything to do with how good the very top guys are. The top guys can be nowhere near anyone's p4p list but it can still be a deep division.

As long as 1-10 (or better yet, 1-15 or 1-20) are all really solid/good fighters, it's a deep division.

If only 1-4 are good (hell, even if they're GREAT, and top p4p guys)...it doesn't matter one lick if from 5 on down is all mediocrity.

SMW is top-heavy. Froch, Ward, Bute. Then...it drops off. Considerably.

That ain't depth.




As for AA fighting the best - since when do high rankings get handed out for repeatedly losing to the best? :huh

As for Stieglitz losing to "even weakest guys in the Super Six" - I disagree.

The Super Six is like a microcosm of the division - a couple of huge talents up top (Froch, Ward) and then it thins out.

Bika? He's never even been in the S6 (the Ward fight was non-tourny). 50-50 fight. Green? Stieglitz outpoints him. Taylor? The version of Taylor that was about to lose a decision to Abraham, before getting KTFO? No, Stieglitz beats him.

How much of Stieglitz or any of his title opponents have you actually seen?