$1000 to the first person to name 50 fighters better than Floyd Mayweather Jnr

i dont care, his opponents are not anywhere as good as theirs. What did i tell you dont respond. James toney has beat 7 or 8 good fighters, zarate at best beat 4. Has zarate beat a fighter greater than mccallum, nunn, etc, enlighten me scientist, who the **** did he beat.

 

The losses to Fenech and Zaragoza mean nothing, he was an old man by that stage.

He got robbed against Pintor.

His only legitimate loss was to Gomez, and that in a fight where he had been sick in the lead up and didn't quite look himself when the fight took place.

As for calling 60 of his opponents bums, pure boxrecology.

 

would you like to suggest that they are great fighters and not bums.

Nunn, mccallum, barkely, charles williams, jirov, ruiz, johnson. Yep his resume compares to that right:good

 

exatcly tell that to this guy, god hes doesnt get it.

 

well when someone doesnt state the criteria then its automatic ownage because it becomes all opinion to a degree

 

Aboslutely no doubt Vitali would have gottem KO'd in the 7th

 

BUTTERBEAN. He's one fighter but weighs 50 fighters of Mayweather size. Now gimme the bucks please.

 

Toney has some good wins on his resume, but like I said, for every good win there is an embarassing loss.

Zarate does not lose to the likes of Tiberi, Thadzi, Griffin or have near losses to the likes of Johnson, McGroom or Williams.

If Toney was consistent acorss the board and had the names on his resume that he did, you could say that he was better than Zarate. But he doesn't.

Of Zarate's opponents (that he beat), I have seen his fights with Pintor, Davilla, Hernandez, Batista, Zamora, Ferreri and Martinez. Toney has more depth to his resume, but he's more inconsistent and lost to lessor fighters. Zarate lost one fight in his prime and that's all.

I think the Pintor that Zarate beat was nearly if not in fact as good as the past prime yet still excellent Mike McCallum that Toney beat (and imo lost the second fight to). Prime Mike is better, but Toney wasn't facing prime Mike.

As for Michael Nunn, other than his win against Kalambay he did nothing that impressive really. Struggled against Barkley, struggled against Cordoba, struggled against the much smaller Starling and beat a washed up Don Curry. I'd say Pintor was a better fighter than him, and someone like Davilla is not any worse than him, despite again, the massive hype that went into Nunn (which will make you scoff at that).

Someone like Zamora at the time Zarate faced him was as good as a Montell Griffin at the time Toney faced him I'd say.

 

what your saying is all hearsay, nunn will always be looked at as a better fighter than ****in pintor. Tate, roldan are both good wins too and crushing a contender like parker is good too. hes better than ****in pintor. So what if zarate doesnt have embarassing losses, he didnt fight as many people. Your not goin to change my opinion, im sure most here would rank toney above anyways. Emile griffith has embarassing losses to lesser fighters, ruben olivares lost to lesser fighters too. Zarate has too weak of a resume to be better.
Davilla is not any worse than nunn, get the **** out of here.

Nunn beat better fighters than pintor
Nunn fought more ranked fighters
Nunn was a lineal champ and p4per while pintor wasnt
You have no case for ranking pintor higher, other than to make zarate look better.

Davila has beat like 3 guys that you can even call contenders or somewhat decent fighters, and youre going to tell me that hes as good as michael nunn. The level you go to in order to defend your guys is amazing, ive told you 5 times to end this stupid dbate becuase youre such a closed minded person, when you will you get it. I only want to discuss with posters that have open minds, not people that talk with complete biases and do whatever it takes not to make themselves bad.

Zarate above toney, haha what a joke. Maybe james toney shoudl just fight a bunch of bums and see how he does. His resume is 3x better.

James toney was arguably #1 p4p around 94ish, when the **** was zarate ever to be held in this kind of regard.

james toney is a man that won titles in 4 weight classes and had longevity, yet we are going to rank him below a bantamweight that pretty much padded his record for 95% of his career and didnt do **** in the higher weights, yeah got ya!

 

Go in the classic forum and start a thread about who the better fighter was, I bet it won't be unequivocal.

Emile Griffith fought in a tougher era than Toney. As did Olivares. They both faced better fighers than Toney did. And both compiled better wins resumes, despite having some losses along the way.

Nunn was merely hyped more because he had the style of a poor man's Ray Leonard. When have little guys ever got their due in rankings? Hardly ever.

I'll actually go start the thread myself in the classic forum asking who was better Toney or Zarate, and Pintor or Nunn. Let's see what people who have seen all these guys fight think about it, shall we?

I think the results won't be unequivocal.

 

This is a good way to compare them

1. longevity: toney, his career as a top fighter/contender was much longer
2. success in higher weights: toney has beaten heavyweights and arguably beat sam peter and held rahman to a draw, while zarate hasnt even beaten a super bantamweight.
3. ability to come back after a loss: toney did, zarate's career was over as soon as he got his ass kicked.
4.resume: toney has beat the better fighters

Whats your arguemnt, that zarte doesnt lose to this fighter, that fighter, blah, blah blah. Your arguement is something that you cant even prove, while james toney beats him in 4 major criterias when it comes to rankign a fighter. Toney has never been knocked out 60 pounds past his original weight, while zarate got stopped 4 pounds and 8 pounds past his original weight.

 

My argument is that Toney has lost throughout his prime to bums and nearly lost to other bums. He has lost to good fighters as well. He has lost to great ones as well.

Zarate has only ever legitimately lost to one great fighter during his prime.

As for Toney going up in weight, how many good fighters did he avoid facing there? Did he fight a Calzaghe, did he fight a Virgil Hill, he did he fight a Michelczewski or even a Sven Ottke? He did nothing ultil he fought Jirov. And as for his heavyweight reign, put an asterisk next to it with the word "roids" next to that.

 

he had more success at 168 and at cruiserweight than zarate did, which is nothing. As soon as zarate lost to gomez he did nothing. Toney may have arguablly lost to contender journeyman, but all zarate did was fight guys with losing records, except maybe 6 people that can call themsleves even good or journeyman fighters. Zarates level of competition is such a joke, its amzing how padded his record is. Toney has never been stopped, while zarate has, that is held against him.

 

Did you see anybody claiming he wasn't top-50 P4P all-time before you posted?