20-Bout Run (Ali vs Holmes Comparison)

Joro,,
Sonny claimed 1932.
Several police documents list 1930, 1931 and 1932.

But a couple of discovered photos of Charles Liston at a St. Francis County, Arkansas
July 4 community picnic, from 1933.
Charles with a group of other 5, 6 and 7 year-old children.

 

BOKAJ,

Do not post another thread until you're done doing the floors.
Now be a good houseboy, and finish up cleaning Ali's floors.

Would Larry Holmes resume look better, if he fought and knocked-out an old
Bob Foster or beat-up John Conteh, lets say in 1977.

Beating up an old Archie Moore does looks good on a list.
But 'The Mongoose' had zero chance of winning.

 

Another boxer, from back in the 1950's, from the Chicago Golden Gloves 1953.
Ray Chapman.
Claims Sonny was 25, when he entered the tournament.
As Chapman stated in an interview 'That was no 20 year-old kid fighting in that
tournament. He was a big strong young man.'

'I was there, during registration, and Sonny could not even fill out the form. We were
all filling out the forms, and many guys had no idea of how old they were. So the
office staff just put down 20, for everybody's age. They didn't want a bunch of old
men fighting. They wanted kids or young me in their.'

 

I was just focusing on the 20-Bout run, not overall.

Larry probably could have have added Jimmy Young, Duane Bobick, Ron Lyle or
Kallie Knoetzee or possibly a Ken Norton II, in 1977 or 1978.
Thats about it.
Up until the time he fought Gerry Cooney,,,,,, Dokes, Page or Thomas were not in the
big picture.,,,,,,,Ali, Spinks and Cooney were the 'BIG 3',,,,,,,,,for $$$$$

Cassius Clay and the LSG Team wanted nothing to do with Eddie Machen in 1962
and/or Cleveland Williams.

 

Clearly, Tom Prater was pretty much considered a live 'trial-horse'.
In 1976, he had a good run, and upset a couple of decent prospects, and a tough veteran (Al Jones)

11/76,,, W KO 3,,,,Alfredo Mongo Ortiz 31-13-0 (18 KO's)
The 21 year old Ortiz (#3 Mexican heavyweight) had won 21 of 22 bouts (7/75 thru 10/76), and
was a hot commodity, after being over-matched early in his career.

Parter, definitely a live underdog versus Larry Holmes, which was evident in the way he fought,
as he gave Larry some fits, and shook him good a couple of times.

But in 1977, he lost the drive, and turned into a journeyman/record-padder.

 

WHOA JM36,

1962....
This is not a ALI-bash. Clearly the young Cassius Clay was not ready to tangle with
those 'two' just yet.
Or for that matter, a Harold Johnson or a risk versus Zora Folley.

But the heavyweight division was somewhat light at the beginning of 1962.
Cassius Clay was Ranked #9, with a record of 10-0-0 (7 KO's)
By way of;
W KO 7 Willi Besmanoff (44-27-7),,, {Was 2-11-0 in his last 13-bouts}
W KO 6 Alex Miteff (24-10-1),,,,,,,,, {Was 2-5-0 in his last 7-bouts}
W Dec 10 Alonzo Johnson (18-7-0),, {Was 2-6-0 in his last 8-bouts}
W Dec 10 Duke Sabedong (15-11-1),,{Was 2-8-0 in his last 10-bouts}

Nothing dangerous in that group.

The young man was carefully guided, brilliant management.