All this talk about Paul Williams beating Mayweather...

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  1. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Corrales was a straighter, harder puncher than Williams, but he also was a stalker, which played into Mayweather's hands. That made him more stationary, and easier to time.

    Williams is an octopus who doesn't need to see what he's doing to throw, because he doesn't care if he gets hit. That'll be a problem against a big puncher (e.g., Cotto), but it's a major asset against Floyd. Floyd won't be able to surgically pick him apart, because Williams won't be trying to work Floyd into a given position.

    All Williams does is throw and fall forward and backward and move laterally, and a southpaw doing that to the tune of 1,000 punches, with a huge size and reach advantage against essentially a non-puncher at 147, is a difficult test for a guy who prefers to fight defensively.
     
  2. Lampley

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    Of course, but how does he accomplish that in this fight?

    Williams is the only guy Floyd could fight who would get the better of him in the center of the ring, and thus Paul wouldn't need to do the pin-him-into-the-ropes thing that everyone does and fails to accomplish. Maybe Cotto would be more effective, but maybe not.

    Williams has movement but does not have educated feet, which, again, is a problem for him in some situations but not against Floyd. Margarito is a long, strong, volume puncher with a great chin, and Williams -- wild as he is -- beat him at his own game.

    Floyd doesn't hit as hard as Margarito and won't land as many power shots. Williams will have tremendous advantages at range, flicking out that awkward southpaw jab and making Floyd react far more than he'd like.

    Mayweather obviously has the goods to win (countering, stepping inside into Paul's chest and darting out), but this is a nightmare matchup for him.
     
  3. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    williams doesnt really jab he just flicks it...its not accurate or effective...he also gives up his height when he fights and has no "pop"..but the worst part is he has no defense at all...i dont think pbf will have much of a problem with pw inaccurate and will get tired from missing those shots later in the fight against pbf
     
  4. The Cyborg

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    Well I don't think we disagree much here. Still, I think it is going to be an easy job for Floyd because as you said, Paul throws and fall inside, and what Floyd will do all night is making Williams miss, and when he falls inside, Mayweather will throw either that right hand or most probably the sharp lazer left hook, and by the time Paul be in the position he wants to, Maywether will be attacking him again from another angle.
     
  5. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm watching some footage of Williams right now and I'm impressed. Throws a lot of punches, keeps the jab pumping, good speed and crazy height/reach, and the fact that he's a southpaw is just the icing on the cake. He doesn't seem to have a very good defense, though -- either that or he simply chooses to take punches in order to land them. Need to watch some more to be sure on that point.
     
  6. C Money

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    Williams aint the hands of stone, but height, reach, speed, and stamina behind a good southpaw jab, that WILL send Floyd backwards while getting tagged. Floyd will also get picked off coming in! If williams fights this like Hearns did Leonard in the first fight?:lol:

    You'll see that same tired, confused, and abused face that SRL had on PBF's head:yep ONly, wont be NO KO cuz they dont go 15 NO MO:nono
    Williams will give Floyd the boxing lesson.

    Remember Floyd himself said Hatton's a midget, its easy to pick off the shorter opponent when you have Floyd's skill. Floyds coming in the ring at what 149-150 and Williams at 6'2" 162?? Floyd dont WANT NONE OF THIS!! If there's one fight he's SCARED:scaredas: OF?? IT's Williams:yikes
     
  7. psychopath

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    On that I agree. Willaims will always be a problem for anybody in that division.
     
  8. sambob

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    I think Williams could cause some PROBLEMS for Floyd, but not beat him. Though Williams beat Margarito, Margarito still got to him plenty later in the fight. If Margarito can do it, why can't Floyd with his superior hand speed, accuracy, and still decent power?
     
  9. Alo2006

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    I disagree, he did well in this fight, but he start to get tired after the 6th round. That's when Margo started to come on. I wonder how he would far against Mayweather though. On paper u would think he would give Mayweather fits, but Mayweather has great speed and foot work along with "D". All things that Margo lacked. Margo was pretty much stationdary for PW, so it's not really a fight u can really judge how good he is.
     
  10. psychopath

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    But on how . . . Floyd doesn't have to fight from the outside like Margarito did in the earllier rounds. Floyd has a very solid defense compared to Margarito . . . which is the combination of footwork, handspeed and upper body movements. So I would say, PBF will force Willaims to fight in close quarter early to neutralize the reach advantage.

    Take note that Marg could have cut the ring earllier in the fight to get close but he didn't and gave Willaims to much room and respect because Marg doesn't have a good defense and doesn't want to be caught early.
     
  11. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Exactly, now add Mayweather's movement. If he tired himself against a stationary fighter, imagine how tired he would be trying to walk Mayweather down :yep
     
  12. LockDog387

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    Paul Williams poses a big threat to Mayweather, whether you Mayweather fans like to believe it or not. And the scary thing is, he can only improve after his fight with Margarito. I've seen Mayweather fight a 6'1 opponent in Tony Pep, (a junior lightweight) who was a good technically schooled fighter and threw lots of punches as well. Mayweather basically slipped and ducked all of Pep's punches. Can he do that to Williams? I don't think so.
     
  13. Symphenyceo

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    why??...williams accuracy isnt that good i believe he landed 22% on a stationary margarito
     
  14. El Bombasto

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    I don't think he's particularly special, just a bad styles match-up for Floyd. At 6'1" and averaging over 100 punches per round, I don't see how PBF could win rounds against this guy by his usual running and pot-shotting.
     
  15. Lampley

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    That's pretty much it. He's all offense. And it's going to get him in trouble against a puncher, but Floyd isn't that guy.